Classic spin doctoring again by the NZ TAB..

[NZRacing]

'Proud to return $18.5 million to communities', they are only $17 million out.

 

The first figure below is the total amount requested by sports organisations and the second one is the actual received. $140,000 was retuned by various Clubs.

The RIB costs from a few years ago to today is astronomical.

 

 

[Doomed]

Serious question. Why has the cost of the Integrity unit more than doubled in four years. Is it wages, are they doing more work? Surely the number of race-meetings has declined in that time so less meetings to attend, and racing is increasingly being centralised so no need to visit Wairoa, Waimate etc, and they hardly race on public holidays anymore. Surely everything should be leading to vastly reduced costs.

Someone must know what is behind these bloated cost increases when the industry can't afford it.

[Assange]

3 hours ago, NZRacing said:

'Proud to return $18.5 million to communities', they are only $17 million out.

 

The first figure below is the total amount requested by sports organisations and the second one is the actual received. $140,000 was retuned by various Clubs.

The RIB costs from a few years ago to today is astronomical.

 

 

Holy crap. That nearly made me choke on my morning coffee. How the hell can NZTR justify the huge increase in cost of RIB? Seriously this needs a Royal Commission. We are genuinely f^@^#ked.

[Assange]

How much of this has been wasted on INCA? 

[NZRacing]

 

1 hour ago, Assange said:

How much of this has been wasted on INCA? 

Millions of the policing budget.

There was never anything to investigate and if there was one would expect the RIB Betting Analyst and his staff to have picked up any betting irregularities although to be fair you still need to know what your looking for. I only saw three races mentioned which were supposably part of the so-called betting ring, all three involved were opening fixed odds race favourites, when a fix is on in a race or a sports game the gamblers don't bet the favourites, the Black Sox in the 1919 World Series is a classic example of that.  If it was as big as it was made out to be to the media why did it take someone from outside the RIB to get the ball rolling?

It was bad information supplied from day one and those investigating it had no idea which the end results show.  Be surprised if there isn't a claim made for legal expenses to be compensated for.

[The Centaur]

5 hours ago, Assange said:

Holy crap. That nearly made me choke on my morning coffee. How the hell can NZTR justify the huge increase in cost of RIB? Seriously this needs a Royal Commission. We are genuinely f^@^#ked.

During COVID lockdowns there was a reawakening of online conferencing.

It could be possible through technology to have experts based in Australia officiating over racing in New Zealand. Therefore the key to attacking the massive RIU and judicial costs is forcing the use of technology.

First Step: With this in mind there needs to be someone with a current profile to introduce a petition for signing by jockeys, trainers and owners. Judicial costs should be no more than $1M per year.

[Joe Bloggs]

7 hours ago, Assange said:

Holy crap. That nearly made me choke on my morning coffee. How the hell can NZTR justify the huge increase in cost of RIB? Seriously this needs a Royal Commission. We are genuinely f^@^#ked.

What a bloody shame there is no gaol time for incompetence, stupidity, malfeasance and ambivalence. If there was, I know a place that would cough up plenty of candidates, so do you.

[The Centaur]

On 4/12/2022 at 3:27 PM, The Centaur said:

During COVID lockdowns there was a reawakening of online conferencing.

It could be possible through technology to have experts based in Australia officiating over racing in New Zealand. Therefore the key to attacking the massive RIU and judicial costs is forcing the use of technology.

First Step: With this in mind there needs to be someone with a current profile to introduce a petition for signing by jockeys, trainers and owners. Judicial costs should be no more than $1M per year.

One thing with social media such as this is that whenever a suggestion is made its met with total indifference but plenty are willing to complain.

As I have said the best way is a petition to reduce the judicial/integrity costs. OK $1m total cost maybe a bit unrealistic but aiming for 50% reduction certainly viable. Better use of video conferencing, return of honorary officials are some of the ways to achieve cost reductions and off course removal of bloated salaries and fees.

[Freda]

Just get rid of the plonkers, go back to Racecourse detectives and stipes for racedays.

Of course, you still need stipes who can read a race.......

[Doomed]

3 hours ago, The Centaur said:

One thing with social media such as this is that whenever a suggestion is made its met with total indifference but plenty are willing to complain.

As I have said the best way is a petition to reduce the judicial/integrity costs. OK $1m total cost maybe a bit unrealistic but aiming for 50% reduction certainly viable. Better use of video conferencing, return of honorary officials are some of the ways to achieve cost reductions and off course removal of bloated salaries and fees.

They certainly have to do something. It has got totally out of hand.

[Chief Stipe]

I think these kids sitting in "the bunker" rerunning over and over High Definition race recordings counting whip strikes is a nonsense.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Doomed said:

They certainly have to do something. It has got totally out of hand.

$14m a year and they are complaining even that is not enough!  Meanwhile how much is going into drug testing?  The industry owned lab is behind the times and the RIB should outsource more locally and to other jurisdictions.  

[Doomed]

1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said:

$14m a year and they are complaining even that is not enough!  Meanwhile how much is going into drug testing?  The industry owned lab is behind the times and the RIB should outsource more locally and to other jurisdictions.  

About 30 years ago the TAB was just a service organisation who did what they were told and there was no integrity unit, the codes just had a few stipes. These days it is heaps of non racing people taking a massive wage for non essential roles. I thought the incompetent recruiting might have come to an end when Allen and all his post office and foreign affaires cronies got the boot, but it has bloody well got worse. Now we have heaps of ex cops, amongst others. It's insane.

[Chief Stipe]

Does anyone know where the latest RIB annual report or accounts are published?

[Tesio]

[Tesio]

[NZRacing]

The net suplus of $3.8 million against total expenses of $13.8 milion is crazy for an Organisation which other than fines doesn't produce revenue especially when you take into account that the above is based on a  13 month period from 1st July 2021 to 31 July 2022. 

A good 12 month budget shouldn't be hard to produce as once you have worked out your fixed costs with an increase of around  6% based on the previous 12 months and also factorng into the equation a more or less number of racedays that should give a fair and acceptable figure to having funding applied from the NZ TAB.     

[Freda]

10 hours ago, Doomed said:

About 30 years ago the TAB was just a service organisation who did what they were told and there was no integrity unit, the codes just had a few stipes. 

There would be a huge cost reduction if the same was in place today.

Cut all the dead wood, run tote only.   Reduce the TAB to a clearing house, with very modest costs. License outside operators to run fixed odds and take a fee.  No risk, and no piss-poor odds setters pretending - and failing - to be bookies.    Disestablish the RIB.   After all, it's forerunner - the RIU - was Cameron George's brainchild. His portfolio of successes is fairly slim.

With SOME of the money saved, start with a rotational renovation of the remaining grass tracks.  And maybe, eat some humble pie and accept that some of them may need to be re-introduced into the mix.

Produce enlightened racing programmes for districts, and deal with the handicapping/ratings issues that have dogged the industry...which will mean, obviously, getting shot of those that have created the current fiasco.

At club level [ much harder because all decisions have to be made, there, by their respective Boards ]  require accountability of elected personnel, if not forthcoming, disestablish said Boards.  They must be able to show acceptable KPI's, require compliance, and in a timely fashion.

Stakes must be allied with what can be earned per medium of betting revenue.  That means high end stakes must be trimmed, not by a few K,  but by significant amounts.  

Breeders will howl.  But the breeders' lobby has held racing at pistol-point for too long.   

Have I missed anything?  

[curious]

Not much. I noted the other day, an industry leader (breeder) who was a key player in getting the 2003 Act in place is now lamenting the lack of quality horses racing in New Zealand and the loss/downgrading of group races.

[Huey]

2 minutes ago, curious said:

Not much. I noted the other day, an industry leader (breeder) who was a key player in getting the 2003 Act in place is now lamenting the lack of quality horses racing in New Zealand and the loss/downgrading of group races.

Yes I saw that, the same breeder who is quick to send his horses across to Australia for better stakes.

[Freda]

On 7/12/2022 at 6:05 AM, Freda said:

There would be a huge cost reduction if the same was in place today.

Cut all the dead wood, run tote only.   Reduce the TAB to a clearing house, with very modest costs. License outside operators to run fixed odds and take a fee.  No risk, and no piss-poor odds setters pretending - and failing - to be bookies.    Disestablish the RIB.   After all, it's forerunner - the RIU - was Cameron George's brainchild. His portfolio of successes is fairly slim.

With SOME of the money saved, start with a rotational renovation of the remaining grass tracks.  And maybe, eat some humble pie and accept that some of them may need to be re-introduced into the mix.

Produce enlightened racing programmes for districts, and deal with the handicapping/ratings issues that have dogged the industry...which will mean, obviously, getting shot of those that have created the current fiasco.

At club level [ much harder because all decisions have to be made, there, by their respective Boards ]  require accountability of elected personnel, if not forthcoming, disestablish said Boards.  They must be able to show acceptable KPI's, require compliance, and in a timely fashion.

Stakes must be allied with what can be earned per medium of betting revenue.  That means high end stakes must be trimmed, not by a few K,  but by significant amounts.  

Breeders will howl.  But the breeders' lobby has held racing at pistol-point for too long.   

Have I missed anything?  

I have to point out that the above comments are not necessarily all my own ideas...can't take credit for that.  It has come from discussions had, not just here, but elsewhere and over a long period.

Years.  Some of it, for more than a decade.  And I'm certain those smart folk take no pleasure in being right; but they are being proven to be very accurate with their predictions.

All I've done is cobble the points together into one post instead of random bits and pieces.

The final nail will be if [when] NZTR decide to scalp the industry stakes and hit the bottom tier.   Some have observed we need aspirational amounts for the better horses, but plainly, we can't afford them.   Either accept that, or the final reality will hit the general racing population. 

I see a NZ TBA publication expressing 'surprise'  at the announcement from the TAB.  Really?  where have they had their heads all this time?

 

[Honestjohn]

Riu  are a joke. Remember the riu guy that was screwing the trainers wife under the pretense of training her to join the riu.?

Get rid of the useless a holes. 

 

Hj

[NZRacing]

 

Estimate? Looking at recent budgets and actuals they don't estimate - they pluck figures out of fairy tale books. If they actually believe GRO blocking will save them they really do have no idea.

E

Edited December 8, 2022 by NZRacing

[Honestjohn]

2 hours ago, Honestjohn said:

Riu  are a joke. Remember the riu guy that was screwing the trainers wife under the pretense of training her to join the riu.?

Get rid of the useless a holes. 

 

Hj

 

I just remembered he was helped to hide evidence by 1 of the chch stipes as well.  Truly despicable. 

 

Hj

[nomates]

3 minutes ago, NZRacing said:

Well he seems to have covered the full glossary of excuses available to him in that one story . Most of them piss poor weak .