D Weir!

[Joe Bloggs]

I forgot to mention the other turd in this scenario, J McLean, another sad fuck that had to resort to lowlife means........lets hope that this scum doesn't come back either.

The talk around the traps is, no way Jose, the powers that be can't afford the fallout, lots of youngsters on committee's here now, sadly a lot of boomers and Get X are to blame for supporting 'Bad Santa Weir', both need to fuck off into the distance and pack shelves at night, well away from good decent buggers which there are plenty.

[Gammalite]

11 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

. I do know my current trainer abhors cruelty, and would never hurt a horse through devious means, I could tell you some standardbred cruelty stories Gamma, but I bet you've heard a few yourself..

Yes a lot of things can be derived as cruel as far as 'horse racing' goes. Breaking In , drenching , Whip use, even getting the buggers to swim or even get on a float or barrier?  can lead to some 'Not so kind' incidents at times. The ABC article was because people were upset by horses being chased up a shute too. At the Abbotoir no less . 

My very own children don't support racing at All with the great 'Whip debate' thing that happened , and horse welfare. So i'm pretty sad about that. The sport of Kings a fading Star.

I see your passion (as all do here ) for outing the offenders of Jiggergate , he did get 4 years. People get less for delibarately driving drunk and killing/ maiming innocents someone's on the road. Then they Can't wait to get their license back.? Will they re-offend? 

I doubt Weir would re-offend in racing , but who knows I guess. And No, I'm not gunna kick my little Leo dog for you or No-mates either ..

 

[Joe Bloggs]

8 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Yes a lot of things can be derived as cruel as far as 'horse racing' goes. Breaking In , drenching , Whip use, even getting the buggers to swim or even get on a float or barrier?  can lead to some 'Not so kind' incidents at times. The ABC article was because people were upset by horses being chased up a shute too. At the Abbotoir no less . 

My very own children don't support racing at All with the great 'Whip debate' thing that happened , and horse welfare. So i'm pretty sad about that. The sport of Kings a fading Star.

I see your passion (as all do here ) for outing the offenders of Jiggergate , he did get 4 years. People get less for delibarately driving drunk and killing/ maiming innocents someone's on the road. Then they Can't wait to get their license back.? Will they re-offend? 

I doubt Weir would re-offend in racing , but who knows I guess. And No, I'm not gunna kick my little Leo dog for you or No-mates either ..

 

God bless Leo, gotta luv those Leos.

[nomates]

41 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

What sort of comment is that ??? An article about Joe on a swearing bender on someone he hates, and you come out with that against a forum poster who you have NO IDEA if he does animal cruelty or not ...  

People are crueller to each other more than animals. Have a look at All the political hatred on these sites. And you guys turning on each other because of something Weir did. I just completed Jury Service not that long ago and Cruelty you See,  by people To Each other makes one sick. (Bit like comments on this thread in a way) . 

Nearly All trainers look after their horses like Pets . (as far as I have seen through the 2 countries) I'm sure the Forum Posters do too?.

My point was that if someone is suggesting that a person who has committed a managed process of cruelty on a horse on a walking machine , using an electrical jigger and poly pole , and then giving that person credit for pleading guilty and that considering the number of horses he had thru his hands then in the scheme of things this was really just a blip , stellar even , then maybe he thinks that giving a dog a boot wouldn't be that bad in his world .

Never said he committed such an act .

I agree completely agree regarding what people can do to each other , but you cannot dilute cruelty to animals simply because people do worse to each other .  

 

[Blackie]

40 minutes ago, nomates said:

I agree completely agree regarding what people can do to each other , but you cannot dilute cruelty to animals simply because people do worse to each other .  

Agree there nomates. Gamma usually on the money 👍 but misses the point here. 
People have a choice, in this case, the horse didn’t.
 Why do it late at night or early in the morning if it was all cosha?

[nomates]

21 minutes ago, Blackie said:

Agree there nomates. Gamma usually on the money 👍 but misses the point here. 
People have a choice, in this case, the horse didn’t.
 Why do it late at night or early in the morning if it was all cosha?

It was never cosha , never has been , never will be . But no one can honestly say this was the one and only time he ever done it , it was the only time he got caught .

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, nomates said:

My point was that if someone is suggesting that a person who has committed a managed process of cruelty on a horse on a walking machine , using an electrical jigger and poly pole , and then giving that person credit for pleading guilty and that considering the number of horses he had thru his hands then in the scheme of things this was really just a blip , stellar even , then maybe he thinks that giving a dog a boot wouldn't be that bad in his world .

Never said he committed such an act .

I agree completely agree regarding what people can do to each other , but you cannot dilute cruelty to animals simply because people do worse to each other .  

 

Mmmmm what about electric fences on a dairy farm?

[Chief Stipe]

From what I've read Weir was found in possession of a jigger.  Stuff all proof he used it.  Bit like being found with a gun in your possession and being charged with murder.

[Blackie]

38 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Mmmmm what about electric fences on a dairy farm?

I’d consider that a stock management tool for safety,  rather than an ‘encouragement’ tool to run faster.

[nomates]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Mmmmm what about electric fences on a dairy farm?

OH fuck off .

[Joe Bloggs]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

From what I've read Weir was found in possession of a jigger.  Stuff all proof he used it.  Bit like being found with a gun in your possession and being charged with murder.

He plead guilty....Dhh.

[Joe Bloggs]

To ABUSE.

[Joe Bloggs]

BTW Chief, you'll be pleased to learn RVL have reopened the case now they are in possession of the 'videos'........wow, this will be interesting, he was charged with possession, maybe now they'll recharge him with.....wating for it....drum roll.........USE!.........those dastardly Police had the videos, the woke magistrate didn't think the horses suffered too much, ooooh, ...just a little bit........no long term damage though........woopy doo, how the fuck does he know anything about long term damage? How?.....what a talent this man is, he talks to horses.....FFS, this at least might take another turn now, if RVL do the right thing, and maybe, just maybe they will.

[Extra Dollars]

14 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

I must add in light of there being 92 views and not one comment, that this low prick had his charges downgraded from torture to abuse, which he pleaded guilty to.

Hopefully the animal activists will do the right thing, if and when RVL sanction his return to the training ranks they swing into action and stop those meetings, Yes it will harm good honest people financially, however if they allow him back it sanctions animal cruelty.

Hitting a horse with a jigger [harping] happens, it happens a lot, most of us know that, but hitting a horse in a confined space, [treadmill] in the very early hours is torture, not abuse and sadly the presiding judge is misguided, there is no place in racing for Weir, what he did usurps what the Aquanita trainers did by a country mile, and the likes of Robert Smerdon will never be seen on a racecourse again, this should apply to one D Weir IMO.

In closing D Weir has one of racings worst rap sheets, it reads like Tolstoy's War and Peace, it's too long to post here, I urge you to google him and read it, if you have a spare hour or so, to NZ 's credit, in all my time in racing I don't know of one Kiwi who offended like this cretan, maybe the blue magic damnation, but not in all reality.

That's where your lack of gambling culture has saved you, as unfortunately gambling in the wash up brings out the worst in people, seldom the best........

Thanks.

JB.

While I totally agree with you,imagine my pain when a well known stock whip welding thoroughbred trainer/pony club instructor,got awarded a Queens Award way back in  the 1990s....he would be imprisoned nowadays. 

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

BTW Chief, you'll be pleased to learn RVL have reopened the case now they are in possession of the 'videos'........wow, this will be interesting, he was charged with possession, maybe now they'll recharge him with.....wating for it....drum roll.........USE!.........those dastardly Police had the videos, the woke magistrate didn't think the horses suffered too much, ooooh, ...just a little bit........no long term damage though........woopy doo, how the fuck does he know anything about long term damage? How?.....what a talent this man is, he talks to horses.....FFS, this at least might take another turn now, if RVL do the right thing, and maybe, just maybe they will.

Do you still watch Coronation Street?

[Chief Stipe]

22 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

He plead guilty....Dhh.

Commercial decision.  Plea bargin.  $35k and the crap goes away.

[Chief Stipe]

57 minutes ago, nomates said:

OH fuck off .

You've never used them?  Which trainer is your horse with?

[Joe Bloggs]

Here you go Chief, just for you.

Footage of Weir and McLean using ‘jiggers’ on Yogi, Tosen Basil and Red Cardinal while they ran on a treadmill at Weir’s Warrnambool stables was shown in court.

Police had 20 days of footage but relied on just 15 minutes, which showed Weir using the jigger on the horses while they ran on a treadmill with Kermond standing behind them and hitting them with a piece of black poly piping, to simulate the sound of a whip.

All three horses wore blinkers while on the treadmill, with McLean also involved.

Red Cardinal was the first horse on the treadmill, and was hit seven times with the jigger, followed by Tosen Basil and then Yogi, who were both hit approximately nine times each. Red Cardinal competed in the 2018 Melbourne Cup seven days later, and finished last.

[Joe Bloggs]

I'll say it again, however for the last time, Weir is a low prick, a weak man who bullies horses, he belts them, he harps them, he and his backers need to be run out of the industry.......the gutless wonder will enjoy reading his supporters on here and other outlets, it will inspire him no end, at least we get to learn who the people are that think he's an ok guy and deserves to come back.

I'll take great comfort in watching their persecution when the time comes, should it, I hope it doesn't of course,  for the animals sake, lets see.

[Joe Bloggs]

18 minutes ago, Extra Dollars said:

While I totally agree with you,imagine my pain when a well known stock whip welding thoroughbred trainer/pony club instructor,got awarded a Queens Award way back in  the 1990s....he would be imprisoned nowadays. 

Pray Tell ED, sounds interesting, NZ or Oz?

[Freda]

I'd guess ED is referring to Mark Todd.

The FUNDAMENTAL difference here, is that the horse[s] had the option to remove themselves from the situation.  That's called 'training'  - create the desired response by making the preferred option more pleasant than the undesired one.  A stockwhip not a good look, but the horse can stop the action quickly by going forward.  It has then learnt that a flick may preclude something more, and next time moves on without a problem when asked.

The video showing Mark whopping a horse over the rump with a branch was not good viewing..but I'm bloody sure he would rather have been applying it to the useless rider he was endeavouring to teach.

Any time a rider or a groom applies hand or leg pressure, which ceases as soon as the horse responds in a particular manner, the pressure then stops.  That's how handlers have achieved desired responses for generations.  ' Please do as I ask or I'll cut your feed tonight'  I'm afraid doesn't work.

These poor sods had no choice.  They were forcibly subjected to abuse with no means of addressing the situation.  Appalling.

[Joe Bloggs]

Waking this morning to news chief steward Jamie Stier is now in possession of videos relating to the 'jigging' of horses.

We all know who and where, and the doubting Thomas's will skulk away, the betting is how long until there is a leak, those videos will be priceless in the hands of the animal activists.

Why the police chose to show only 15 min of these 'horror stories' raises many questions, considering there is 20 days of it ?

The intent of VIC's chief steward is clear, Weir should be a worried man, his apologists need take a long hard look at themselves, animal abuse is abhorrent, and any sanction of such should be outed for what it is........

[billy connolly]

21 hours ago, nod said:

For some reason I think of the thousands of people held in institutions. strapped in chairs and zapped with electricity by those who felt they knew best.

Correct, and if the horse is well fed, well trained, happy and paying its way Weir was doing more things right than he was wrong in my book. I've seen a lot of horses who were not well fed and certainly not happy but the bunny huggers cared little about their predicament.

The legendary Tommy Smith found a competitive (anabolic) edge long before drug testing procedures detected them. Smith somehow got an ordinary horse from New Zealand (Toparoa) to win the 1955 Melbourne Cup and defeat a near champion (Rising Fast) in the process. Toparoa never won another race after returning to his owner in NZ, funny that !

The most you can do in this game is win, losers don't count and at the end of the day the horse is only an animal, a noble animal but still only an animal and to be frank there has been many a slow, non trying, rogue horse who could've only benefitted from a jab or three with a bull prodder.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

53 minutes ago, billy connolly said:

Correct, and if the horse is well fed, well trained, happy and paying its way Weir was doing more things right than he was wrong in my book. I've seen a lot of horses who were not well fed and certainly not happy but the bunny huggers cared little about their predicament.

The legendary Tommy Smith found a competitive (anabolic) edge long before drug testing procedures detected them. Smith somehow got an ordinary horse from New Zealand (Toparoa) to win the 1955 Melbourne Cup and defeat a near champion (Rising Fast) in the process. Toparoa never won another race after returning to his owner in NZ, funny that !

The most you can do in this game is win, losers don't count and at the end of the day the horse is only an animal, a noble animal but still only an animal and to be frank there has been many a slow, non trying, rogue horse who could've only benefitted from a jab or three with a bull prodder.

 

And you root for Celtic too don't you Billy, In this instance you're a tool as many of your posts are good one's, you've missed the boat here though, it's sailed without you mate.

[Joe Bloggs]

Bear with me and I'll elaborate a tad Billy, simply by your reference to Tommy Smith and anabolic assistance.

Way back in the good old days when I trained at Flemington I got several horses from a leading SYD stable, over a period of several years we won plenty of races City and country, pulled off some massive plunges, once taking half a million off the bookmakers at Flemington and Moonee Valley in a two week bonanza.

The secret?.....really bloody simple, those ex Syd horses were on water based anabolics, stanozolol to be precise, I, acting on the advice of my vet [arguably the best in MEL] put them on oil based anabolics,  boldenone, the results spoke for themselves.

Those steroids were legal Billy, had been for decades, once we were told to stop, we did, and here's a sting in the tail, one leading MEL stable didn't stop, they had an edge, in the guise of an informed Vet, someone who knew RV weren't testing and of course that stable won plenty.

Eventually, well some 12 months down the track, all steroids were banned and they tested rigorously and some fell foul, but the plunges that used to come off started to wane, it became a level playing field again, and the skills of certain trainers came to the fore.

One trainer especially, still training today, arguably the best we have seen, someone I'd happily give my neddies to, once he moves to a 'serious' training and racing centre.

Hope this helps Billy.

JB.