Brodie Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 37 minutes ago, globederby12 said: Best thing you have uttered for a while. Your skin must be 1 mtr thick by now. Thick skinned perhaps Globe, fair and honest as the day is long is “The Brodster”. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Brodie said: So if there was a murder in Christchurch, would a journo write every way that you could murder someone? it doesnt require a whole lot of know how Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Brodie said: I think the news has already been reported. To write ways to actually fix races to the general public is blatantly over the top. So if there was a murder in Christchurch, would a journo write every way that you could murder someone? I think you are comparing apples and oranges Brodie. The general public has a reasonable understanding of murder but probably not so much of how you would fix a harness race (if indeed anyone has fixed a race). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 45 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: I think you are comparing apples and oranges Brodie. The general public has a reasonable understanding of murder but probably not so much of how you would fix a harness race (if indeed anyone has fixed a race). And why on earth would someone representing harness racing damn well want to tell the public. How on earth is that going to encourage new participants into the sport that we need? Quite the opposite I would say! Every one will,have an opinion and that is good but gutter journalism is not good coming from these journos. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: And why on earth would someone representing harness racing damn well want to tell the public. How on earth is that going to encourage new participants into the sport that we need? Quite the opposite I would say! Every one will,have an opinion and that is good but gutter journalism is not good coming from these journos. I would have though the roll of encouraging participation would fall to Harness Racing New Zealand rather than Fairfax’s racing journalist. The reason someone from a media organisation would want to write a story on it is there is public interest in the matter. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 We all need to know the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brodie said: And why on earth would someone representing harness racing damn well want to tell the public. How on earth is that going to encourage new participants into the sport that we need? surely your not still talking about matt keerman lol Edited September 7, 2018 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Brodie said: Thick skinned perhaps Globe, fair and honest as the day is long is “The Brodster”. gees brod didnt all that have been charged say the same thing who can you trust nowadays probably me because im as crooked as the day is long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 On 6/09/2018 at 11:25 PM, Brodie said: Just read an article from the harness journalist Mat Kermeen who is a journalist for The Press I believe! What a load of disgusting writings that I find apalling being written by the harness journalist for The Press! I beleive this journo took over from Matt Markham who always did a good job. Why on earth would a supporter of harness racing want to write an article about HOW TO FIX A HARNESS RACE???????? With what is currently on why would someone who is meant to be a supporter for the good of harness racing want to write this NEGATIVE BS??? This fellah has obviously been taught by the same journo that wrote the gutter BS about young Bronson Munro! WAY TO GO Mat Kermeen, you are a real asset to be writing on behalf of harness racing! Keep up the great work and you will have no job writing about harness racing! Absolutely poor performance on your behalf, and I tell you now you will get no accolades from most harness racing supporters and I can clearly see why The Press readers are diminishing when they have gutter stories being written once again by their journos. Hang your head in shame as I think it was a totally disgusting article from someone who should be promoting harness racing rather than trying to KILL IT!!! AAAAGH Hey Brodie, I've always enjoyed your input despite not necessarily agreeing with it at times. Having said that, I totally disagree with you on this one. The fact you disapprove of Kermeen's article is fair enough but I'm incredulous to the level of contempt you display. As we know, in recent times the subject of race fixing has been receiving a lot of airtime in mainstream media. Many people with no intimate knowledge of harness racing are hearing about a subject in the news with no real understanding of what it all means. Are rival trainers / driver or their loved ones being threatened with bodily harm if they don't cooperate with a race fix? Is their organized crime / gangs involved? Is blackmail involved? etc etc. Just what does race fixing actually mean? Kermeen has set out to explain how it can unfold and I feel he's done an excellent job. Don't shoot the messenger. If you want to point the finger of blame at the appropriate time, I respectfully suggest you do so at the alleged offenders when the term "alleged" is no longer involved. Those people have done considerable and possibly irreparable damage and that will be felt for many many years to come. It's right up there at the top of the list with things our sport needed the least at this time. When I first started in the game, I'd get tips from shirt pullers who seemed to be in the know. I could break them down to three types of tips. 1) Tipster was hugely impressed with it's previous form and felt strongly said horse would be too good for it's rivals. 2) Tipster knew the horse was working brilliantly and was ready to run a huge race. 3) Tipster would advise that a horse was "trying" today. Options 1 and 2 are self explanatory but 3 isn't as straight forward. Aren't all horses in a race trying? I tuned my eye in to understanding exactly what it meant. Option 3 can of course just mean a combination of options 1 and 2. It can be almost a work of art. Those looking for drivers wearing prison clothing and facial tattoos as a show of guilt will miss the show. The beautiful part of it from the drivers perspective is the fact there's 38,697 reasons a driver can put forward to justify their actions or lack thereof. This is how they have got away with this rort for so long at the expense of punters who wagered their hard earned in good faith. This has taken on a life of it's own in recent years when trainers could now say such things as the performance enhancer in the horses system was likely licked off a fence post in the bottom paddock. Anyone who suggested a result was dubious because of whatever reasons they put forward were ridiculed. At times that ridicule was warranted but one size does not fit all. Same circumstances apply to the thorny topic of team driving. I've seen thousands of unmistakable examples of it over the years. Often from drivers / trainers with the same "respected" family name. No horse should be deliberately advantaged / disadvantaged by a stablemate / family member in the same race but it happens every raceday. The major difference this time is the voice recordings of the alleged offenders and I assume, betting activity that matches those recordings. That's hens Gold teeth right there. If proven guilty, I hope the offenders all receive life bans. We all pay the price for their diabolical selfish greed. The strongest deterrent needs to be sent by people who have largely failed to do their job in this area for decades. For all of the reasons above, I sincerely believe that there has never been a better time than now to wager on NZ Harness Racing. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/106865910/how-the-outcome-of-a-harness-race-could-be-fixed 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) It is big news and as much information as possible should be put in the public arena - whilst at first glance it seems to only have downside - in fact it doesn't - so much will depend on how "the industry" responds once all the court cases complete - hopefully it will not be drawn out and that IMHO is the biggest risk factor All tragically sad - but it is how " the industry" deals with it will deliver results or the lack of Edited September 7, 2018 by Turny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The industry may not have a choice, as those charged will use everything within the rules of racing and the laws of NZ to protect themselves and their reputations, bugger what harm it may do to racing. Look at how Cropp exploited every legal avenue available to her, to drag a case on for 4 years. Racing is very good at dealing with the 'sledgehammer on a nut' cases, like the jockey who got put out for aeons for betting and the, 'I raced 90' case with Midget, but seems to be indecisive with the big cases and the big players, like the cobalt issue and cow troughs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 I am in the minority here in regards to the publishing of the article from Mat Kermeen which is fine. My point is that for the sake of the future of harness racing I believe that this journo has not helped the cause. Very easy to put the boot into people when they are down and clearly are unable to defend themselves! Can not see the point in telling all,and sundry how easy it is to rig a harness race! With huge wagering on sport it is just as easy to rig a rugby or rugby league game as well! Just don’t tackle and let the other team score more points!! Agree to disagree with most I would say, but that is all good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 All good Brodie, leased to see debate - my real concern is " the industry" must handle this much better than the Blue Magic debacle - as this IMHO is much more damaging as it goes to the very heart of racing - all codes not just harness 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 45 minutes ago, Brodie said: I am in the minority here in regards to the publishing of the article from Mat Kermeen which is fine. My point is that for the sake of the future of harness racing I believe that this journo has not helped the cause. Very easy to put the boot into people when they are down and clearly are unable to defend themselves! Can not see the point in telling all,and sundry how easy it is to rig a harness race! With huge wagering on sport it is just as easy to rig a rugby or rugby league game as well! Just don’t tackle and let the other team score more points!! Agree to disagree with most I would say, but that is all good. Unless I'm mistaken Brodie, you're advocating the best way of dealing with one of the biggest scandals in harness racing for many years is to ...not talk about it ? The journo is not there to promote / help harness racing. I have some personal experience in this area. He's not attacking anyone. As for defending the alleged offenders, that's the role of their legal representation. We all accept that there are ongoing rorts in many sports. That in no way detracts or lessens from what's on the table here. If the journo was aiming his piece at folk in the industry, I can see your point but he's not. He's explaining how it's done to inform the populus which is his role. I feel he's done so rather well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, Gavin said: Unless I'm mistaken Brodie, you're advocating the best way of dealing with one of the biggest scandals in harness racing for many years is to ...not talk about it ? The journo is not there to promote / help harness racing. I have some personal experience in this area. He's not attacking anyone. As for defending the alleged offenders, that's the role of their legal representation. We all accept that there are ongoing rorts in many sports. That in no way detracts or lessens from what's on the table here. If the journo was aiming his piece at folk in the industry, I can see your point but he's not. He's explaining how it's done to inform the populus which is his role. I feel he's done so rather well. Fair enough Gavin. Agree to disagree, as I don’t believe it achieves a helluva lot especially seem it is in the same week as the people have been charged. It is just saying that geez it is so easy to rig or fix a race. These people have been charged and it will be like their world which is harness racing has collapsed around them. Maybe Brodie has become more compassionate over the years! People have different views on things which makes life more interesting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 On 7/09/2018 at 9:40 AM, Brodie said: What a load of bollocks! I don’t see any benefit at all from this journo who you would think was meant to be a harness racing enthusiast! I portray most harness racing trainers as being very hardworking as it is not an industry that is easy to make money in! So you are saying that Blair Orange, Dexter Dunn , John Dunn, Nigel MaGrath etc. are not hardworking and the epitome of harness racing. These fellas work a lot longer in hours than any of you probably do and travel tens of thousands of miles per year just to make a living. I appreciate that they are under suspicion for fixing races which I don’t like either being a punter. I have personally spoken to each one of the accused men over the years to different degrees and can honestly say that every one of them I have found to be down to earth and very likeable. I do not think we should be castigating them at the moment until we know exactly what has been going on! I can take the heat from anyone on here because it does not affect my livelihood, however these men deserve to be heard before they are chucked under the bus!! I am in the minority on this I appreciate it, but for the good of the industry I beleive we should be going easy on it at this stage until the details are out, or we may have no harness industry in the years ahead. No, Blair Orange, John Dunn, Nigel McGrath and Andrew Stuart are not the epitome of harness racing if the allegations, soon to be charges, against them are true. Whether they are likeable and work hard is irrelevant. Were these gentlemen thinking of the "good of the industry" when they allegedly conspired to rig races? When these people are charged and found guilty, as I believe them to be, they will have done so much damage to harness racing that it may not recover. Some might say it is karma for a certain stable following a stablehand being "chucked under the bus" after a Forbury meeting last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 8, 2018 Author Share Posted September 8, 2018 1 hour ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: No, Blair Orange, John Dunn, Nigel McGrath and Andrew Stuart are not the epitome of harness racing if the allegations, soon to be charges, against them are true. Whether they are likeable and work hard is irrelevant. Were these gentlemen thinking of the "good of the industry" when they allegedly conspired to rig races? When these people are charged and found guilty, as I believe them to be, they will have done so much damage to harness racing that it may not recover. Some might say it is karma for a certain stable following a stablehand being "chucked under the bus" after a Forbury meeting last season. Oldwhiteman, you would be the life and soul of any party I would say. Your compassion is infectious and you seem like a real happy Chappy! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 8, 2018 Author Share Posted September 8, 2018 Just read on stuff that journalists were banned from Addington last night!! Think that was a great idea from the Addington Club. Not sure what journalist was barred but if it was the journalist that wrote the gutter article the other night, then he should get a life ban. He has done the industry no good whatsoever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Just read on stuff that journalists were banned from Addington last night!! Think that was a great idea from the Addington Club. Not sure what journalist was barred but if it was the journalist that wrote the gutter article the other night, then he should get a life ban. He has done the industry no good whatsoever! Have a look on social media, every man and his dog is saying harness must have someting to hide to ban media?? I must agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 26 minutes ago, Brodie said: Just read on stuff that journalists were banned from Addington last night!! Think that was a great idea from the Addington Club. Not sure what journalist was barred but if it was the journalist that wrote the gutter article the other night, then he should get a life ban. He has done the industry no good whatsoever! Yes, I saw that and found myself wondering if The Brodster was in fact the NZMTC CEO. Banning media from an event because they might say something critical is complete and utter madness. At best, it guarantees that they'll write something even less palatable (which is precisely what happened). Plus it just looks petty, gives the appearance of a siege mentality, and suggests there's plenty more to hide. A textbook example of how *not* to respond to a crisis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 totally agree,it is like no good news,so no news at all.What a bunch of idiots.It is as if no one has a clue whats going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Just read on stuff that journalists were banned from Addington last night!! Think that was a great idea from the Addington Club. Not sure what journalist was barred but if it was the journalist that wrote the gutter article the other night, then he should get a life ban. He has done the industry no good whatsoever! This is 101 on how not to handle the situation - ludicrous decision and if that was the advice given, they better rethink immediately - they should be working with the media to secure good coverage not banning them - the media are not the issue here and potentially are a critical ally Edited September 8, 2018 by Turny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 You are an idiot Brodie. Are you a Trump supporter as it sounds like it the way you want no media to write anything negative, and no journalists to cover any stories that aren't Sunshine and rainbows. Burying your head in the sand and pretending nothing is going on isn't going to make things better, it just makes it look like you have something to hide. They wasted the perfect opportunity to state their position and to reiterate that race fixing would not be tolerated and those found guilty would be stamped out. Journalists are only doing their jobs, and they have only ever printed articles that are in fact the truth, if you want to choose to be ignorant and ignore it then go back in your protective bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 8, 2018 Author Share Posted September 8, 2018 4 hours ago, CrossCodes said: You are an idiot Brodie. Are you a Trump supporter as it sounds like it the way you want no media to write anything negative, and no journalists to cover any stories that aren't Sunshine and rainbows. Burying your head in the sand and pretending nothing is going on isn't going to make things better, it just makes it look like you have something to hide. They wasted the perfect opportunity to state their position and to reiterate that race fixing would not be tolerated and those found guilty would be stamped out. Journalists are only doing their jobs, and they have only ever printed articles that are in fact the truth, if you want to choose to be ignorant and ignore it then go back in your protective bubble. To be fair The Big Don has got some reasonable ideas! Where have I said that nothing has been going on? I just beleive that too many people just want to put the boot in to people when they are obviously down. Look, I know what it is like to have the boot put into me when the TAB starting putting betting restrictions on me! Some people may not know that though!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, CrossCodes said: are you an idiot Brodie. Are you a Trump supporter as it sounds like it the way you want no media to write anything negative, and no journalists to cover any stories that aren't Sunshine and rainbows. Brodie is always on the money,so yes he will be a trump supporter. Latest announcement was the lowest U.S.A. unemployment figures in 50 years. Edited September 8, 2018 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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