Chief Stipe Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, nomates said: Possibly the best stud at identifying great stallions purely on pedigree with no race performance has been White Robe Lodge , Mellay and Noble Bijou , 2 of the great stallions that have had an influence on NZ racing and pedigree . They still are good at finding stallions. However it is harder to be successful today. It is easier when a Stud has a large number of good broodmares and the best paddocks in the land. It gives the Stallion every opportunity to perform. White Robe also had neighbours with big broodmare numbers and South Island racing numbers were strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Zed was sold for $400,000 as a yearling in 2004. Or about $625k+ in today's dollars. Mmmmmm around the same price as the Savabeel yesterday. Comprendez? Both have black type performance in their pedigree. I guess 1)-you are not au fait with the real money spent on stallions these days as opposed to wishful prospects,2)-Zed is just one example...there are plenty more. verstehense?🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I guess 1)-you are not au fait with the real money spent on stallions these days as opposed to wishful prospects,2)-Zed is just one example...there are plenty more. verstehense?🙄 Another confusing post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Just now, Chief Stipe said: Another confusing post. You are easily confused. I think Zed stood either free or for $500 originally. Btw 20 yearlings sold for $1mil or more just at the MM Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, holy ravioli said: You are easily confused. I think Zed stood either free or for $500 originally. Btw 20 yearlings sold for $1mil or more just at the MM Sale. Zed in his early stud career must not have left many winners or no one patronized him, as he was posted to a hack station down south, to serve station mares, no sure how long he was there for but made a come back when the winners came along, he was a along side st reims who was also on the same station, and think st reims is buried there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Shad said: Zed in his early stud career must not have left many winners or no one patronized him, as he was posted to a hack station down south, to serve station mares, no sure how long he was there for but made a come back when the winners came along, he was a along side st reims who was also on the same station, and think st reims is buried there. I love seeing Zed go well. It shows that the battlers can make an impact. And he is pretty well bred from memory. One of the great success stories of the NZ breeding industry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Shad said: Zed in his early stud career must not have left many winners or no one patronized him, as he was posted to a hack station down south, to serve station mares, no sure how long he was there for but made a come back when the winners came along, he was a along side st reims who was also on the same station, and think st reims is buried there. I don't think he had many precocious..2 y.o's....and the quality of mares he received was ....🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 41 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I don't think We realise this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Seems Day's 1 and 2 are on par with previous years in terms of clearance rate and we'll up on median price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 How silly are NZB? There was a time many years ago races had permanent names from year to year. Nowadays races particularly at the lower level have different sponsors each year. What possible relevance is it printing in the catalogue a certain horse won the Flying Duck Restaurant Handicap. No mention what class or other restrictions the race was for. In other words totally useless information yet vendors pay a fortune in entry and commission fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 32 minutes ago, The Centaur said: How silly are NZB? There was a time many years ago races had permanent names from year to year. Nowadays races particularly at the lower level have different sponsors each year. What possible relevance is it printing in the catalogue a certain horse won the Flying Duck Restaurant Handicap. No mention what class or other restrictions the race was for. In other words totally useless information yet vendors pay a fortune in entry and commission fees. Which Yearling Auction House does it differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Seems Day's 1 and 2 are on par with previous years in terms of clearance rate and we'll up on median price. Seems days 1 and 2 are on a par with previous years in terms of clearance rate and well up on median price. Some good news then for...breeders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 54 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Seems days 1 and 2 are on a par with previous years in terms of clearance rate and well up on median price. Some good news then for...breeders. One part of the supply chain. The industry can't function without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 On 30/01/2023 at 9:29 AM, holy ravioli said: reason?? 1 rnr , hard to fathom. Temperament? I see a few sold later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Huey said: 1 rnr , hard to fathom. Temperament? I see a few sold later on. Was never going to leave 2yo's , as you say could be temperament , doesn't take long for for the whispers to get around . I remember a few seasons ago that the word going around was that the He's Remarkables were hard work , spoke to one breaker who said he had done 9 and every one was hard work , the industry soon works it out . Ace High was always going to be a slow burner and we all know how this industry doesn't have patience anymore . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 And reality has come to Karaka now the Oz and Asians hove done the bolt, some lovely horses, looking for homes, got nowhere near their reserves, if the Petone brain donors are watching, I think it's going though to the keeper. Next year Book 1 will still be a good one, I doubt if there will be a book 2 and in 2025 definitely not....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 55 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: And reality has come to Karaka now the Oz and Asians hove done the bolt, some lovely horses, looking for homes, got nowhere near their reserves, if the Petone brain donors are watching, I think it's going though to the keeper. Next year Book 1 will still be a good one, I doubt if there will be a book 2 and in 2025 definitely not....... Bloodbath for vendors today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe Bloggs said: And reality has come to Karaka now the Oz and Asians hove done the bolt, some lovely horses, looking for homes, got nowhere near their reserves, if the Petone brain donors are watching, I think it's going though to the keeper. Next year Book 1 will still be a good one, I doubt if there will be a book 2 and in 2025 definitely not....... Yes , a lot will be looking at the costs associated with the prep and whether it is worth it , and decide not to bother , maybe just go to Gavelhouse . This is what happens when not enough horses are being bred and they start pushing K2 horses into the K1 catalogue to fatten the numbers . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: And reality has come to Karaka now the Oz and Asians hove done the bolt, some lovely horses, looking for homes, got nowhere near their reserves, if the Petone brain donors are watching, I think it's going though to the keeper. Next year Book 1 will still be a good one, I doubt if there will be a book 2 and in 2025 definitely not....... Don't worry they have a plan to resuscitate (keep on life support) NZracing and thats to sell up all the smaller clubs (assets) they have been screwing over for years so the Book 1 Club can continue ignore reality for a little longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I do find it fascinating how so many of these big NZ players get credit for supporting the NZ industry at the sales when most of their purchases are by Aus based sires. Interesting to note that TA couldn't find a single Almanzor to purchase from Book 1 after winning the KM 2yo with one the year before, with more than 50 in Book 1 to choose from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Time Test stock have taken a bit of a bath in this sale, they have always looked like they will benefit with time to me and I think those with patience may well be rewarded. 4k for an American Pharoah someone took a hit on that. 40k for the Ferrando off a 2.5k stud fee has got to be great business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Huey said: Time Test stock have taken a bit of a bath in this sale, they have always looked like they will benefit with time to me and I think those with patience may well be rewarded. 4k for an American Pharoah someone took a hit on that. 40k for the Ferrando off a 2.5k stud fee has got to be great business. I would have sent a mare to him in his first couple of seasons if i was a breeder but or me the Time Test's have been disappointing , expected a lot more , especially the numbers he got in his first 2 seasons , unless something spectacular happens on the track for him before seasons end his book might drop a fair bit next season . Fickle game . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: And reality has come to Karaka now the Oz and Asians hove done the bolt, some lovely horses, looking for homes, got nowhere near their reserves, if the Petone brain donors are watching, I think it's going though to the keeper. Next year Book 1 will still be a good one, I doubt if there will be a book 2 and in 2025 definitely not....... Median and average up on the last four years for Book 1. Clearance rate no different. I guess any dilution from Book 2 was well received by vendor and buyer alike. Bargains in Book 2 for astute buyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Median and average up on the last four years for Book 1. Clearance rate no different. I guess any dilution from Book 2 was well received by vendor and buyer alike. Bargains in Book 2 for astute buyers. And no export tax, we don't have to pay your GST......how the hell does the average NZ racing person derive any advantage from this sale?........The Cartel just get richer and the rest do their best. The lessor light studs I feel really sorry for, they are trying their arse off, and the end is nigh. Maybe that's a good thing as their misery will end sooner, rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: And no export tax, we don't have to pay your GST......how the hell does the average NZ racing person derive any advantage from this sale?........The Cartel just get richer and the rest do their best. The lessor light studs I feel really sorry for, they are trying their arse off, and the end is nigh. Maybe that's a good thing as their misery will end sooner, rather than later. Geezus you are a miserable bastard. I gather you have nothing positive to say about anything to do with NZ Racing. Your comments about this mysterious cartel don't hold up either with most of the ig Stud's have yearlings in book 2. None of the Stud's want their stallions down sold either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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