aquaman Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Goldstar Hans tried to take a shortcut because he was not ofay with the track. It was his first look. Trainers in NZ have a very bad habit of not trialing their dogs first before racing on them. In Australia you would not see this like it happens here in NZ. I have seen NZ trainers take dogs all the way to Aus for a feature race, and not give them a look at the track where they are expected to perform. These so called trainers do not have the ability to see it from the dogs eye's. These dogs are running blind, and unless they get a kind draw, heaps of luck, and end up right on the lure, then they invariably fail. All this results in greater chance of injury or doing what Hans tried, take a short cut. The other fatal flaw with NZ training is over racing, cram as many races as you can syndrome. They call it well placing of the dog if they can run 3 times a week in the same grade running out noms. Again you do not get the over racing in Aus like seen here. Again this all adds up to more injuries and deaths. NZ Greyhounds are in a bubble of their own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 minutes ago, aquaman said: The other fatal flaw with NZ training is over racing, cram as many races as you can syndrome. Goldstar Hans had had 4 starts in 18 days recently. 3 of those within 7 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, Chief Stipe said: Goldstar Hans had had 4 starts in 18 days recently. 3 of those within 7 days. No surprise there Chief, if your willing to take a dog all the way to Auckland to race blind, then it goes without saying racing 4 times in a short period is normal. Me its ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 52 minutes ago, aquaman said: No surprise there Chief, if your willing to take a dog all the way to Auckland to race blind, then it goes without saying racing 4 times in a short period is normal. Me its ignorance. I was told they line them up for start money. When they got $60??? Per starter it was said start 10 dogs you get your weekly income. It's prolly higher now.?? Anyone confirm starter fee please?? Hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overit Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Honestjohn said: I was told they line them up for start money. When they got $60??? Per starter it was said start 10 dogs you get your weekly income. It's prolly higher now.?? Anyone confirm starter fee please?? Hj If there is now a starter fee for NZ dogs it only come in in the last few years. When I was involved it paid out on dogs whom where placed 1st down to 6th place. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 minutes ago, Overit said: If there is now a starter fee for NZ dogs it only come in in the last few years. When I was involved it paid out on dogs whom where placed 1st down to 6th place. When I started it was 1st 3. The split being 60% 1st, 25% 2nd, 15% 3rd. When I finished they paid out to 4th. Then it became all the way back to 6th. I never liked it because it robbed the 1st 3. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Goldstar Hans had had 4 starts in 18 days recently. 3 of those within 7 days. Here's the rule, effective 1 Feb 2023 (or just over a year ago). Navigated via use of the link here. On the first page of the linked GRNZ rules, there is this note. I haven't checked, but if Hans had 3 starts within 7 days as Chief has stated and they were on/after 9 Aug 2023 an RIB investigation is required. If those starts were on/after 1 Feb 2023 an RIB investigation may be required. Edited February 22 by Yankiwi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 40 minutes ago, aquaman said: When I started it was 1st 3. The split being 60% 1st, 25% 2nd, 15% 3rd. When I finished they paid out to 4th. Then it became all the way back to 6th. I never liked it because it robbed the 1st 3. When I owned dogs, GRNZ paid back to 3th. A $20 petrol voucher was handed out for each unplaced dog (which I believe the trainer generally kept, they did in my case). In the big feature races, GRNZ paid the top 3 well and unplaced dogs received $100 for Group 2 races or $200 for Group 1 races. Ten years ago, I owned a Group 1 starter, a Silver Collar finalist, which he finished in 4th place. That paid $200 (in an $80k race). To race tonight in the Christchurch 732m Stockburn Cup ($15k), which will be held during a premier racing meeting, but not listed as a Group 1 or 2 race, it pays like this. $806 for 4th place. Oh, how the times have changed (with stakes money, but not the safety risks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 Back to Auckland & the north in general. So far in February, Auckland has held 3 race meetings. They've had 244 race starters, with 15 total racing related injury stand-downs. Of those 7 were minor, 1 was medium, and the remaining 7 were major (generally career ending). So far in February, Cambridge has held 4 race meetings. They've had 292 race starters, with 11 total racing related injury stand-downs. Of those 3 were minor, and the remaining 8 were medium. No fancy spreadsheets. No percentages. No red colour showing above the GRNZ KPI targets. No green colour showing or equal to or below GRNZ KPI targets. Just the facts of racing a greyhound in the north in February 2024. No bias. No agenda. Just a small collection of what the Steward/Vet reported about the injuries sustained during a race meeting. If you doubt me, you can open those 7 Stewards report, view the injury data in each of them & work it out on the back of an envelope. It's not rocket science. It's an easy task you can undertake by yourself, especially if you're sick of hearing from me about it, which will help you protect your dog/s from a career ending injury. Why doesn't GRNZ fill you in about this as a LP? Don't they know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 55 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Back to Auckland & the north in general. So far in February, Auckland has held 3 race meetings. They've had 244 race starters, with 15 total racing related injury stand-downs. Of those 7 were minor, 1 was medium, and the remaining 7 were major (generally career ending). So far in February, Cambridge has held 4 race meetings. They've had 292 race starters, with 11 total racing related injury stand-downs. Of those 3 were minor, and the remaining 8 were medium. No fancy spreadsheets. No percentages. No red colour showing above the GRNZ KPI targets. No green colour showing or equal to or below GRNZ KPI targets. Just the facts of racing a greyhound in the north in February 2024. No bias. No agenda. Just a small collection of what the Steward/Vet reported about the injuries sustained during a race meeting. If you doubt me, you can open those 7 Stewards report, view the injury data in each of them & work it out on the back of an envelope. It's not rocket science. It's an easy task you can undertake by yourself, especially if you're sick of hearing from me about it, which will help you protect your dog/s from a career ending injury. Why doesn't GRNZ fill you in about this as a LP? Don't they know? Just upload your data!! FFS! You are now selectively posting data that suits your hypothesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 Hey AGRC, I've got a great idea for you. I know you can't call the lure "the bunny" anymore. Someone decided that wasn't a good look for the racing industry for some unknown reason. Maybe you could start calling it "Major" Back in Hinsdale, they called theirs "The Colonel" Seems military ranks must be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 Think about it. The dogs are boxed away, the lure starts to roll & the announcer can call out "Here comes the major". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 Since the beginning of the racing season (Aug 1, 2023) Manukau has had 2738 starters. GRNZ states that 0.6% of starters is the target for major injuries. Therefore with 2738 x .006 = 16.43 major injuries would be the GRNZ target number. Manukau has produced 34 major injuries during the season thus far or over twice the GRNZ "acceptable" level. Today they finally announced a 5-week shut down for the track as an "immediate intervention and further investigation". The time they should have shut it down as an immediate response was on 31 Oct 2023, after the first quarter major injury rate was 33% higher than their KPI target. Instead, they crossed their fingers & ignored it. The second quarter ended on 31 Jan 2024, 83% higher than the KPI target. Still no response. Then halfway thru the 3rd quarter with the track returning a rate 333% higher than their KPI target, they finally decided to not so immediately intervene. Nice going guys. You've finally done the right thing, albeit 4+ months too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Well done Chazza. Now you've only got another 5 courses to go. The industry loves your work but not as much as SAFE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Well done Chazza. Now you've only got another 5 courses to go. The industry loves your work but not as much as SAFE. This is a good thing. Auckland is an awful track. Especially this time of year. Its ridiculous how poorly managed this place is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Well done Chazza. Now you've only got another 5 courses to go. The industry loves your work but not as much as SAFE. Well Chief, I didn't do anything other than point out what GRNZ should have done months ago, if race day welfare is important to them as they claim it is. 4 hours ago, BitofaLegend said: This is a good thing. Auckland is an awful track. Especially this time of year. Its ridiculous how poorly managed this place is Exactly. However, I'm very doubtful 5 weeks is going to sort anything out, especially with the track surface. It took GRNZ 1 1/2 years to bring Wanganui back from the brink & it's gone very well ever since. Anything less might bring some short term benefit, but without a complete overhaul, next November will quickly become the same shit-show this year has been. After the task of fixing the surface, which in itself is a major project ~ They need their two new starting boxes GRNZ has promised. They need their 10-year overdue safety rail GRNZ has promised. They need the new lure system GRNZ has promised. They need to bring the lure closer to the ground, in fact it should be just about touching the ground when stationary like Addington's is. Dogs running around a corner shouldn't be focusing on anything that higher than their eye level. They need the safety pads on the outside fence to go further around the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeyounexttuesdaytrainers Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Did they take the Manukau track curator to work at Cambridge? Three Major 2 injuries today 😒😒😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 (edited) 12 hours ago, Seeyounexttuesdaytrainers said: Did they take the Manukau track curator to work at Cambridge? Three Major 2 injuries today 😒😒😒 There were only two major injuries recorded in their (and my) data yesterday. The first of the three was during a pre-race trial, so because it didn't happen in front of the camera it's not important enough to be recorded in the injury data. That said, it's only the second time Cambridge has recorded two major injuries during a race meet since the beginning of the racing season on 1 Aug. Full season & 3rd quarter major injuries at Cambridge both still remain within the 0.6% threshold. Edited March 24 by Yankiwi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yankiwi Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 GRNZ doesn't like actioning their statements of intent. https://greyhounds.co.nz/racing-news/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 I sure hope they have the Manukau is some sort of safe raceable condition. Cambridge (the alternative) has taken a serious turn for the worse safety wise. Since 21 March, when GRNZ announced that Manukau was shutting down for 5 weeks, which ended up being 6 weeks, Cambridge returned some rather shocking numbers. While total and minor injuries in the were down a tad with the 1200(ish) starters after transfering racing operation to Cambridge, the major injury percentage per starter jumped up from the "GRNZ acceptable" 0.5% to doubling the "acceptable" target rate to 1.2% Overall to start the seasons 4th quarter, only 9 days in, when tracks should start returning better results, it's simply not happening yet. If Manukau starts returning numbers anything other than what a safe track should return, things are going to look really grim, really fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 The antis are out in huge numbers at Manukau this afternoon. I counted both of them. Maybe it's time GRNZ installed a rainbow track for the dogs to race on to bring them on board too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 I hope Peters has the balls to tell all two antis where to go and put them to bed once and for all. Pity Shane Jones wasn't the Minister of Racing. Looking like hold your breath time after what was on the MSM last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 The "Social License" issue is BS. Change that to "where are the most votes". The reality is though that most people don't really care. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 Manukau now has two race meets behind it since the remedial work. Safety rail still a GRNZ broken promise. No surprises there. Minor injuries still tracking near recent historic levels. Most importantly, no major injuries recorded. Hopefully without the added pressure on the Cambridge track, it too will revert to returning "acceptable" major injury levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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