Chief Stipe

Yep was gutted. But gutted for lots of reasons. Racing him brought to my attention what was wrong with NZ racing. In 17 starts he returned a check 15 times. 5 wins. Yet it was costing money to race him. Go figure. Only cost a raffle ticket and a $400 mare off the knackers truck to breed him. Got offered big money after his second start win but that turned to custard because the other owner didn't want to sell. Next win got another bigger offer and he went and hurt himself one day AFTER the original vet cert expired.

Tend to agree Joe. Some trainers are better at managing the endemic condition that others. I owned a good galloper who bled. I'm convinced that the dusty stable conditions contributed. Also I'm also convinced that a two night stay in the Te Rapa stables didn't help. The stalls hadn't had the sawdust changed for years and the level of dust in the air was horrendous. After he raced he started coughing. Was beaten narrowly after storming home and they broke 1:21. Waller is obviously a detail man and I'm sure he would only use Lasix on a horse that had shown vulnerability. The USA has a high incidence of breeders and it should be noted the environmental conditions that the horses are trained in must be a contributing factor.

Also the study only looked at grade 4 EIPH I.e. epistaxis which is the extreme where bleeding from both nostrils occur. Research has also shown that certain environmental conditions and training regimes can be linked to EIPH. Given that 90% of race horses experience EIPH to some degree the following statement makes sense: “When we consider that the Thoroughbred (racing) population is closed (no out-crossing to other breeds), we must remain conscious of the fact that the breed may not be able to afford the loss of a large number of horses from the gene pool because this may also result in a loss of a number of good traits as well as genes for epistaxis,” Velie said.

As for the paper you have produced I suspect it is similarly flawed as the 2004 paper. Maybe there is a relationship between the "go fast" gene and EIPH? The fact is that the condition has been prevalent in the breed for over 300 years. It's incidence level hasn't changed significantly in that time. Has the breeding rules in Germany altered the incidence in their racing? I doubt it. BTW do you know Germany's rules on racing breeders? You may find some hypocrisy there. It is extremely ironic that the leading sire in Germany for 3 of the last 4 years Soldier Hollow has 3 lines of Northern Dancer blood. I recall one of your hypotheses was it all started with him. Which it didn't. You also cherry picked from the research paper and don't highlight that there are other factors that are NOT related to genetics.

How is about INTEGRITY? What does a punter do with this information? It is like most of your Blueprint it means NOTHING!

90% of thoroughbreds bleed (experience EIPH) to some degree after high performance exercise. Has Germany banned 90% of the horse population from breeding? NO. They have only banned those that bleed at a high level. Will preventing those that bleed from breeding eliminate bleeding from the thoroughbred? NO. Why not? The genetic/heritability of EIPH is disputed. The focus arises from a single research paper undertaken in the South African racing jurisdiction and published in 2004. This paper has been widely critiqued and the assertions it made do not align with what we understand about Thoroughbred genetics. That is the incidence of EIPH is too high to indicate solely a genetic influence as is its level of consistency. With the latter there hasn't been a significant change in the incidence of bleeders over time. Further some of the foundation sires of the thoroughbred species were known bleeders i.e. the condition has been in the species for over 300 years. So trying to bred the condition out is not an option particularly when there is a physiological component to EIPH. Race horses are not designed to be raced the way we race them. Unfortunately that fact once in the hands of the anti horse racing mob will do more to kill racing than whether or not trainers use Lasix as a preventative measure. Addendum: The leading sire in Germany - Soldier Hollow has three lines of Northern Dancer blood. There is no evidence that I'm aware of that WINX was on Lasix. Contrary to what the Chief Vet in VIC says there is little evidence to show that using LASIX is performance enhancing. The assumption is based on the fact that LASIX is a diuretic that causes a horse to urinate 15 litres of water in an hour. So it is assumed that 15 litres equates to 15kg less weight for the horse to carry therefore it goes faster! This is only an assumption and no study has shown that this is the case. I cannot see why a trainer would use LASIX frequently in training as the recovery to full hydration and electrolyte replacement can take up to 72 hours. Further if losing 15 litres (15kg) is performance enhancing then all a trainer needs to do is to not give a horse any water 24 hours before a race. Why? Because a horse naturally urinates 15 litres in a 24 hour period. Why does it matter what a trainer uses legally in training? Like most of your "Blueprint" how does this information assist your punting strategy?

The Australian Trainers' Association has vowed to continue the fight to change the cobalt laws despite Racing Australia this week confirming the status quo around the controversial substance. The ATA had urged RA by letter in August to review the laws and penalties around cobalt on the back of more than 300 positive cases across all codes in the past few seasons, and although the response was not what it had hoped for, trainers remain adamant the regulations must change according to ATA chief executive Andrew Nicholl. Nicholl said the ATA is of the belief that many of the cobalt positives occurring across the country are due to vitamins rather than any potential corrupt use. "Cobalt arose a few years ago out of the belief that people were doping with it, but it is increasingly apparent that a lot of these positives are due to (vitamin) B-12 injections," Nicholl said. The ATA was notified by letter from RA earlier this week that there would be no change to how cobalt is viewed or to the steep penalties around its use. Nicholl said his association was disappointed, but not deterred. "We are not going to give up," he said. "We are going to review all our options." A number of Australia's more prominent trainers have suffered cobalt bans - including Peter Moody and Melbourne Cup winner Danny O'Brien, who was eventually cleared of intentional administration of the substance along with fellow trainer Mark Kavanagh after a long fight through the courts. A conviction for intentionally administering cobalt carries a minimum three-year disqualification. There are currently several cobalt cases on the back burner in Victoria including trainer/rider Steven Patemen, who is due to front the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board next month.

Rule Number(s): 638(1)(d)Following the running of Race 1, Teltrac Premier, an information was filed by Chief Stipendiary Steward, Mr J P Oatham, against Licensed Apprentice Jockey (Class B), Mr S R F Weatherley, alleging that Mr Weatherley, as the rider of LIAM in the race, “permitted his mount to shift inwards near the 300 ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 209(1)(c)& 209(2)Prior to the running of Race 9, Christchurch Casino 156th New Zealand Cup, an information was filed by Chief Stipendiary Steward, Mr J P Oatham, requesting a ruling “as to whether PAMIR (trained by Mr Luxton) is permitted to start after being given a substance in the stable area on race day”. Mr Luxton ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 638(1)(d)Following the running of Race 1, Teltrac Premier, an information was filed by Chief Stipendiary Steward, Mr J P Oatham, against Licensed Jockey (Class A), Ms S L Wynne, alleging that Ms Wynne, as the rider of SEVERINE in the race, “permitted her mount to shift outwards when not sufficiently clear of ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 638(1)(d)Following the running of Race 5, Barneswood Farm Welcome Stakes (Listed) an information was filed by Chief Stipendiary Steward, Mr J P Oatham, against Licensed Jockey (Class A), Mrs L J Allpress, alleging that Mrs Allpress, as the rider of OHIO SHOWGIRL in the race, “attempted a run between SILENT ZONE ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 632 (2)Following the running of Race 6, Pomare Electrical 1215, Stipendiary Steward, Mr A Coles, lodged an Information with the Judicial Committee. He requested a ruling pursuant to Rule 632 (2) to determine whether TANGODANZER gained an advantage from its barrier stall opening slightly early. Rule 632(2) states ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Bullshit. Banning bleeders from breeding will not stop bleeding. Physiologically a horse is not designed to do what we ask them to do. You want to kill racing completely?

You definitely don't know anything about horse welfare or training one.

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Why do you keep posting the same shyte over and over and over again? It is becoming tedious. As with the previous times you have posted this rubbish all you have done is highlight your ignorance. It isn't a performance enhancer but a preventative measure to counter bleeding or technically - Exercise Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage (EIPH). Testing has shown that the majority (80-90%+) of modern thoroughbreds bleed (have EIPH) to some degree during high performance exercise. Where is your evidence that it enables a harder training regime and any manipulation of body fluids? Any trainer who doesn't balance the use of Lasix with additional fluid and electrolyte replacement feed regimes would fail. Given in the OZ jurisdiction you can't use Lasix pre-race like you can in the USA any potential performance enhancing effect has no impact on a race outcome. If you believe that using it in training enhances performance for a distant race then you clearly don't understand the training of racehorses. Now please don't start waffling on about your Danehill theories either!

Rule Number(s): 870(3) and the Breaking Horses RegulationsFollowing the running of race 9, an Information instigating a protest was filed by Chief Stipendiary Steward Mr N Ydgren, against VALLORIA (J Dunn), placed 5th by the judge, on the grounds that it “galloped in excess of 150 metres in the early stages” thereby breaching Rule 870(3) and the Breaking Horse ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 868(3)Following the running of Race 12 an Information was filed by Chief Stipendiary Steward Mr N Ydgren alleging a breach of Rule 868(3) by Open Driver Mr M Purdon. The information stated: Mr Purdon (BELMONT MAJOR) failed to drive out to the finish. Mr Purdon signed the information stating he admitted the ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

I must say that the most profitable days I have had betting have been on course observing the horse in the parade ring and the birdcage.

Mardigras bets on value relative to the price he determines.

Mardigras bets on value relative to the price he determines.

I thought LOIRE improved according to you because of the "alleged treatment with Quinine inducing go fast hormones AFTER Atrial fibrillation."

Closed the topic down. Another one of Thomaas's sexist rants about nothing in particular. Not even humorous unlike his Blueprint for punting.

I'm not sure about the "2yr old" factor as many horses don't start racing until they are 3yrs old. However I do see some merit in the hypothesis that a horse has a peak performance early in its career that indicates its future potential. Particularly in the area of top speed when viewed from a sectional perspective.

True although some humans don't particularly mentally. However once again it is a subjective factor that you can't use to predict the next performance. Do you also have a scale where the maturity factor increases to a point and then declines?