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Steady boys..this has been done to death already Every Thoroughbred 'investor' has their own 'niches' Woddy goes for the algorithm niche...puts a bunch of stats in his PC program and ignores things like Visors...which he thought were sunnies for neddys...and "there's nothing wrong with the Eagle Farm track" Bazza goes for the Baker/Forsman Waterhouse idea of keeping their neddys on the pace and ready to strike...i.e. Fit f'ers...fair enough...and good on you Bazza...going to every meeting where you can view the stock as well as sell your Chippies to the hoi polloi... Bazza has previously said "I ignore weight" then comes out in another thread and says "and the 4kg claimer is great" He tipped Kyrie and didn't bother factoring in the Blinkers back on which the trainer told us yesterday "she needs badly".. after a shocking first upper without them Gibb's Daddy and a whole heap of Trainers before him...Lance's Daddy..used to take Blinkers off first up...for excellent results...on some, like Kyrie, it doesn't work... Largely my niche is form in a better class of field...back to inferior neddys...Shilllings for Jillings and his mates cliched it..."keep your horses in inferior company and yourself in superior company" And of course fit horses on bad tracks at this time of year....you know horses who can back up and take the work then enjoy the punishment... As an example I was on BLUETWENTYTWO at Te Teko ...superior form in full Premier day fields...back to midweek...then good form in Aus on unsuitable tracks...back here first up with 3 kgs off after a good trial....then I trusted trainer Collett with the TOngue Tie on first up...an extra 20% on the investment for that At 13's well overs... Woddy can't work form out here in NZ...stick to your Niche in country areas of Aus then Wod... ...leave real form analysis to the locals who have superior knowledge of local conditions and nuances here in NZ
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And the Keewoi's are in action! The Vella Fella's neddy is there and so to Davo's! ...and Jammy Maks back! Will the Toffs shun him for being a rogue and vagabond or will they take him into their bosoms...cos they've been there too? Will they be wearing the classic antique silk toppy or the 'sweat like a pig smell like a jockstrap' felt f'er? Who knows, just as long as the laydies are comfortable going commando and wearing silk off the shoulder numbers... https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/now-mcdonald-has-great-chance-scaling-new-height/
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Of course the 'classy' Auckland Jocks like Leafal have progressed to the 'classy' stuble It's been scientifically proven that Women around the World find this hair type... HOT AZ...the hard prickly nature of said stubble sends the entire body of a Woman into meltdown.. ...don't want to keep repeating..but it deserves doing so in case other hot Men such as moi...don't know about the key to a woman's door...when it won't open easily... Why spend 5 Hundy on an over priced meal and French Vino when a quick arvo stubble growth does the trick?
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Good observation Jess... The old rule even allowed for wannabe tally ho's members of the public to jump the fence and just get on... Cammo changed it around 8 years ago and it was Re-written 5 years ago... Nothing could be clearer...the horse took off...screwed mid air...landed awkwardly and... FELL on landing There appears to be a whole lot of romantics out there prepared to ignore THE RULES...ok A rules a rules a rule...where the 'romantic' Stipes dreamed up the jockey "had contact" rubbish from...wtf knows?? Its an INTERNATIONAL rule ffs... ...he immediately should have pulled up after FALLING... ...like it or not You can't have "however after falling and the jockey falls out of the saddle and slides nicely alongside...but held the reins...and goes onto win to become a World wide hero" ..."then that's ok" thats b/s... But the CD Stipes like making or ignoring the RULES... After last years Trentham debacle, where the starter allowed an attendant to stand in front of the entire field...and the subsequent mee lee of Riders getting jettisoned... ..and not ask one question of the Starter...after he broke the RULES ffs, NZ looks like a country back water when this type of thing happens FELL...look up the definition in the Equestrian Handbook one day...
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Yes Jess that was a few years ago now though.. ...you may remember during the reign of Cammo George, there was bedlam one day when Jocks were re-mounting all over the place... ...he changed the rule after that...and coincidentally the rest of the jumping World already had the current rule in place... Obviously in the good olde days of anything goes and tally ho... There were injured horses being re- mounted...and of course injured concussed Jocks.. Now every man and his dog knows that horse FELL... The Stipes took the flat rule of contact close to the winning post in this case... ...and ignored the Jumping Rule of "falls must be Veterinary checked...and Jocks passed by Docs" It spoils a great story...but you simply can't have rules for one instance and glory...and not the other
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Sensational athleticism from Kuru...previously a potential NZ Softball player I've heard ?? Dont want to put a dampener on things sensational.. but ...if we're following the rules...and rules rule ok?? This horse should have been scratched.... Lets face it..the horse FELL...all fours were sideways as they were skidding along the ground...Kuru came totally off and slid alongside... ...besides...the horse FELL...did I say the horse FELL?? The Stipes investigated....and then came up with a totally new rule about the ajo (c) if a horse and/or Rider falls or gets away from its Rider after a race has started [Amended 1 June 2013]: (i) that horse shall take no further part in the race unless: (A) the Rider has been examined by a Racecourse Medical Officer, and (B) the horse has been examined by a Veterinary Surgeon; and (ii) provided that both the Rider and the horse are passed fit to race, that horse may be remounted and the Rider shall ride to either [Amended 1 June 2013]: (A) behind the place where the fall occurred or where the horse got away from its Rider, or, (B) if the horse missed a jump prior to such fall or where the horse got away from its Rider, a place from which the horse can approach and negotiate that jump
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Wtf were you watching Bazza?? As weasel says they were coming from all over the place...NOT USUAL HEART in a sensational performance from 2nd last on the turn as well... The track played differently to the usual procession though Maybe they've fixed the bias by watering the rail or something?? If we'd had the entire width pen. Readings we'd have been able to see if the 6M mark, where many were winning, was the place to be... ...before the first race ffs
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Top effort with Kyrie Bazza... Youd have no doubt included her when you saw the Blinkers On note... The stable tried to pull one over the usually blind Stipes by applying Visors...but were promptly told to wack on the full Blinkers...which they asked for... Would she have won by more with the Visors on or not at all? Probably more...because the trainer would have got her there in the best possible position to win according to you and your mate... But he clean forgot to inform the Bureau...and got a wet slap on the hand...ouch
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Of course it makes a difference...on a neddy I've rated to invest on Ive trusted the trainer that a TT is value added...even an extra 0.1L makes a difference...you don't trust them..that's as clear as day I add less for TT's than BO.. that's how I've rated them over years of experience....each to their own This has been done to death...you have no understanding of the subject You think it's ok for Australian Punters to have this transparency but not us...idiot You obviously believe in Insider Trading on the share market.. ...and that's criminal...criminal
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Ok, so you're the type who looks a gift horse in the mouth... Northern Dancer was on the go fast..you knew it...and sat there like a stunned mullet...fool Youve repeatedly said you "trust the trainer to get the horse to race in the best possible shape" But you don't trust them enough that a top rating value horse will concentrate any more than before and get a length or two extra...after the trainer has tried gear changes in training... Australian Punters receive this type information ..operations, change of tactics... Its surely about TRANSPARENCY...i.e. insider trading knowledge... ..and Punters can do with that whatever they like... you're an algorithm punter....Stick to that format guy ...but don't tell others they don't want to know an investment has had wind problems... ...or they're going to ride it upside down to make it settle for it's next race... Thats why the NZ Thoroughbred punter is becoming today's sports punter...where every stat is available...
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Great info yesterday...I requested Sweenz interview the Trackman and a Jockey.. The Trackman said he'd rolled the inner 6M after the debacle at the previous meeting...This had the effect of the inside drying out through the day where the last 2 races the rail wasn't a bad place to be Lisa used her stick in the morning and said the Rail was decidedly deeper... Great...this is the type of info Punters need at 7.30...not just before the first ffs Failing that...just get the trackmen to give us the entire home straight readings...how simple is it?? They say they want more Punters investing...yet hide vital information... #nofinidea
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No it's part of a general argument through your inability to accept a 'given' i.e. drugs that make neddys go faster... ..before they run...not after Like Northern Dancer's vet who gave him Lasix before the race v others racing without... ...and your inability to take advantage of the known go fast after the Vet's whispered in your ear... ...you've being given insider trading knowledge yet you want to "wait until after the race to really confirm it"...idiot Its like being given the Lotto numbers...and you saying "you prefer to wait until it's actually proven" ..all the while telling us you "trust the trainer" wtf wouldn't you trust ND's vet? If a neddy I'm investing on has met my guidelines and is ahead of the field in ability...imo I add 20-30% to the investment with Blinkers ...I trust the trainer...you dont Absolutely nothing to do with investing on every first time Blinker wearer Btw wtf would I increase investments on a horse carrying more weight... ..it's got there through superior performances more than likely...that's all
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Talk about Queenalicious exciting... Its that time off the year when the toffs get their top hats and tails on and their lovers wear hardly anything... ...and the hoi pollois practically nothing...especially after a tipple or elevenses..where they end up in the bushes sans panties but it's all about the racing... ...and meeting the Queen...just like Aidan will do countless times no doubt! Trackside come to the party at this momentous occasion and pretty much shows most of it... Lets hope that whinney voiced chuck hasn't got a job anymore with At The Races Lets get a winner or two from the horses mouth then... http://ascot.attheraces.com/stable-tours/aidan-o'brien
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For September... The only problem is... The idea of Wilcox...to have 'jumpouts'...to test the track out yea na...Puke tried the very same thing when their track was re-layed... ...come race day it wasn't bedded down enough...ffs Nothing but a mid week Industry day, under race conditions, is the least they should be trying the crash test dummy phase... A Cox Plate Day race meeting cancellation doesn't bare thinking about...
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New NZTR award recognises long service...yea na
Thomass replied to Thomass's topic in Galloping Chat
The Racing and breeding industry are intrinsically linked... ...without breeding you have no Racing Industry..how ignorant are you? The Racing Industry...including breeding...is bigger than the Fishing Industry It keeps satellite City's alive and is the hub of societal attachment...which being an 'accountant' your're unable to quantify You had your chance when the NZRB supposedly invited you to change its direction.. You whimped out... Just sit back and enjoy the Messiah's work...you were but a tickle on the undersole of the NZRB... ...and they're still giggling -
So Whangers again today...racing on the rail Mmmm...is the rail the place to be today after racing on the fast strip 6M out last week? H10 to 4.5 M....is the 6M strip S9 though....and the outer rail...where they usually race on an H10 ...actually a S8 and faster?? And wide barriers the go?? Wtf would know if they're only giving us readings to the 4.5M mark?? And why would a NZ punter invest their hard earned on a 'lottery' situation with NZTR refusing to be transparent?
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New NZTR award recognises long service...yea na
Thomass replied to Thomass's topic in Galloping Chat
How absurd... Youre talking about the aesthetically pleasing noble Thoroughbred industry...including the breeding thereof.... ..with the blink and you miss it pokie like Hounds...raced in a few countries...with NZ's leading trainer baiting live rabbits... Dont worry yourself anymore...Messara has been instructed to sort out the Thoroughbred Industry first and foremost... ...obviously he's not going to worry about the Hounds and Harness as much due to plain fact that Thoroughbreds are a far larger more important industry...doh Idiots like Cleo can't see this though... -
It applies to any improvement that has been statistically proven.. If Northern Dance's vet had told you before racing on the magical LASIX ...and no other horse had the drug in its system...that the improvement would translate to even a 10% jump.. ...and you don't alter your ratings..until after the event... ...then how stupid are you??...even though you've "trusted the trainer"
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The WHIP FARCE continues..a THRASHING Apprentice
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Dizzy was on last week...and toed the party line as usual These 'journos' get an email through from Godber stating what he wants to talk about... Poor Dizzy wouldn't have known about the CHOWDHOORY case though...he's too busy to worry about 'journo' stuff... This week Neil Davis rang up after I tweeted Neil to give Godber a tingle "wtf can't Connections protest Mick...what if it was a G 1 ffs"? " ahhhh ummmm ahhh....haha...well I think they can in Oz...but we sure don't follow Oz in everything....oh yea but we're constantly reviewing these kinds of things" ffs...of course there was no mention of the pathetic suspension of 7 meaningless real days either... Godber..."of course before the 100M is a long way from the finish" What G forgot to mention is that the strikes within the last 100M were above shoulder height...and that's illegal Just like Trudy did in her G 2 win...illegal above shoulder height winning by a nose.. ..and no protest allowed...f me -
It doesn't matter where you do it...anythings better than nothing The readings down the entire straight at 3M should show a different reading to the entire 6M strip...5 readings in all... every Hundy Thats what would have happened at Wanganui.... The smart Jocks had obviously walked the track before the races...or been told the readings by the track manager...and knew to get off the fence...which they did... As for Lasix...C said it's 25%...and you know what a girly swot she is... So if the stats showed you the rating quotient on your selection to be winning by a length...and the undeniable overall facts point to a 25% improvement with Lasix...and you trust the trainer knows what he's doing...as you've constantly wanked on about Then wtf's a punter to do? Any sensible punter increases the stake in relation to the expected 25% improvement...that's what who knew?? Not you
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New NZTR award recognises long service...yea na
Thomass replied to Thomass's topic in Galloping Chat
They'll be on the patho's channel... Thoroughbreds will be interviewing local connections, human interest stories, review shows...you know...what we used to do... ..that's how you grow a sport...not constant fixes for pathos with a running reel across the bottom of the screen urging you to get on at f in Dipton... As for the 'plark' award Tony Astle of Antoines Restaurant...David Ellis's very good friend...would gladly provide sponsorship for this award... So long as the winners don't complain about the offal on the menu...whereupon he'll throw you out... -
New NZTR award recognises long service...yea na
Thomass replied to Thomass's topic in Galloping Chat
Actually Messara's dead right..as said here before Each code should be allowed to stand on their own two feet Thoroughbreds haven't been able to do that.. Messara's report will obviously poo poo the idea of a tri code shambles... ...Imagine League, Aussie Rules and Rugby working together...na unimaginable Thoroughbreds will be able to regain traction then...about time -
Considering you agreed the info should be made available... i.e. if the track manager takes 30 readings around the track to 4.5M..and writes them down...just take a screen shot of that...thanks Oh hold it...you may be wrong for accuracy sake if you're wanting that.. If they start racing from 6M and further out from the get go...wtf is the use? Are you saying the Lasix/Blinkers off should be discounted? Are they really trying if they stop Lasix or Blinkers after previously racing to a certain excellent standard?... If the Lasix component increases the chance by 25%, as C says...do you alter your bet and /or increase the neddys performance quotient of its previous starts?? In your world you trust the trainer....don't increase anything...and wait until the horse has bolted...without you on so naive...
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And to prove how correct Dillon is when he says he wants the EXACT reading for an all encompassing H11 track This years Trentham meeting was 12L slower than last years...both H11's wtf is the problem with giving Punters an ACCURATE guide... ..rather than having to look at times and work it out yourself ffs...it's just too easy to make fools of these suits who refuse to see the bleedin' obvious
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curious Report post Posted May 27 More seriously, with Audible out, I like Hofburg and Gronkowski. "I did leave it to Baffert of course, as I said I would. I note that I also correctly named the two most likely to beat him, including the second horse which was 69/1 at the time. Of course you'd have been on to that because of the trainers first time lasix strike rate of 25% I guess. Is that better than first time blinkers?" Talking about the disgraceful use of Lasix/ furosemide C, when will these drug cheats in the States fall into line with the rest of the racing World do you think?? You had to admire the calmness of many of the runners...while the crowd went wild... ...they just walked around like a Sunday stroll pretty much.. Do you think Lasix had anything to do with that calmness...lowering blood pressure and feeling chilled...for example?? On his near death bed...Northern Dancer's vet finally admitted he'd 'Lasix'd' him before the race...while the rest didn't have his new found drug knowledge to compete... ...imagine if he'd raced without it and lost...the Thoroughbred World would very probably be a different place right now Is it time for NZ to use Lasix to help us compete in the US market perhaps?? Imagine the power of a Lasix/Blinkers combo?