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Yes Arcee Phoenix has mainly raced over sprints but did break the New Zealand record over 2200m on a slushy track beating Bet N Win when he won here in what I though was a good staying run, but 3157m might be too far. Bet N Win proven over the distance but I think the final might come down to draws on that track so a real guess at this early stage.

Fate Awaits probably, and Leap To Fame definite yes but hard to see how they will beat Bet N Win or Arcee Phoenox on a leaders track in the trotters final

John Dunn has driven it now 6 times for three wins and three good runs from terrible draws I remember an interview with Lionel Dobbs after the first of the Dunn wins where he said it was going too well for me to drive it so I thought I better put John on. I backed it on the premise he might be doing the same again. If the bookies were any good they would have had it sub 10.00 on opening just in case. The driver change alone without the background info should have made it sub 15.00 on opening.

Ben from Betcha on TV today. "We may have missed the driver change on Betterthandiva when pricing this market." FFS no wonder they are so easy to beat if they can not even notice a driver change on a runner. And yes the $31 was delicious. Keep them coming.

To lift turnover further we will now be racing everyday of the week. There will possibly only be four and five horse fields but at least the turnover is up lol

Unfortunately that's what the restrictions have become. If you look likely there might be a chance you are possibly able to make money in anyway shape or form in Australia they will cut you off. It was only a matter of time before that happened here as well.

It honestly feels like they're going out of their way now to swing the pendulum in the complete opposite direction to your hopes there Brodie. Instead of addressing your core issue (fairness and ethical), they're doubling down on selective treatment, almost as if to make a point.

I think the departure is related to Entain facing hundreds of millions of dollars in fines for alleged breaches of Australian anti-money laundering laws between 2018 and last year. Either pushed or getting out before the shit hits the fan.

Dean Shannon is leaving Entain. Would you be leaving on your own accord if the company was in good shape and on the right path? https://harnesslink.com/australia/dean-shannon-steps-down-as-entain-australia-boss/

I remember Salish Abernethy telling Michael Guerin that he didn't do TV interviews one night after winning a big race at Auckland. Guerin came on TV and said it was unprofessional and he looked a bit put off by it all.

I disagree! The last few years have been some of my best ever for profit, due mainly to poor pricing by the bookies. Lets hope it continues.

Ever notice how racing presenters will rattle off comments about half the field before a race? Then when one of those seven wins, suddenly it was a “great pick” and they talk it up like it was nailed from the jump. Made for TV, just a wide net cast so they can claim success no matter what happens. It’s especially entertaining when a horse they didn’t mention storms home. You can almost see the panic set in. Cue the scrambling and excuses… Whale is the classic example. He’ll have a full post-race script ready for the ones he tipped — but nothing prepared for the actual winner. It’s great theatre, but let’s not pretend it’s great tipping.

There must be a close relationship between Entain and HRNZ especially regarding the calendar, for aligning with TV programming etc. I would think Entain would be advising best times dates for certain meetings. As to the stakes HRNZ should be administering that side of it but it looks like slot races and pouring money into a few bigger races is taking priority over anything else.

Well you do have an ex Entain employee planted right up there as head of Racing and Wagering so maybe they are.

At least if more Canterbury horses were involved there would be variation in form and bigger fields. Bigger dividends and more even contests creates more turnover in my opinion, but these guys are working on the Albion Park style of racing which is 7 horse fields and 1.50 favourites which is a total turnoff for me. Fair enough if they are trying to keep the money in Southland but not good for the overall industry.

Not really the prices between opening and closing have never been so far apart which is good for the punter. The odds setters are running scared as they have been burnt so many times. They are opening the prices at a more even spread, but the issue for them doing that and trying not to get burnt on every horse is the prices start creeping further and further from their true price. You just need to look at the opening prices of some of the outsiders. They will open them at 41.00 even if they are realistically a $100 dividend, and then a couple of hours after opening they will drift out to 101 or longer. Same applies to the favourites, realistic 1.80 chances are opening at 2.40 or longer sometimes. There is great value on many runners at every meeting because of this. Rule of thumb is back outsiders late and if you can recognize value on the favourites back them early.

If you are good enough they do not let you bet top four, the option is just missing from your account when you log in. Same with other bet types (eg same race multis). They let you on to win 2K but it is for win only (so if you are backing a $20 horse then they will let you bet $100 max and then the next bet you put will be at $12 and the next at $6). Good luck trying to win 2k for a place if you are on their watch list. I know a guy who is not a big bettor (A $25 bet would be big for him) and he is severely restricted on all fixed odds bets because he had a good run for a few weeks in a row. Guessing their risk team looks at over all profit first then the ratio of bets placed to winning bets before bringing down the ban hammer on those who cross the line. Whatever you do, do not back four or five double figure winners in a row. That would be a death blow to your account. They are text book copying the UK system of profile everyone via betting patterns and restrict sharp punters.

You can only bet Top 4 through account as far as I know.

Unfortunately because they are not that good at setting the odds they have to stop punters winning to offset their bad pricing. It is a game of cat and mouse trying to get on at the good prices for me and at the moment I am winning.

Easy to make money the way they have been pricing. It is like taking candy off a baby.

Well he does keep saying we have received some big bets here at Betcha and never talks about Entain so not sure what is going on. Is it fraudulent talk if the bets have actually been taken at Entain and they are misrepresenting them being put on through Betcha. Can anyone enlighten us as to the the structure of these organizations, in particular the whether there is one fixed odds pool or there are two separate markets?

I would bet on more races if the fields were bigger. I refuse to bet on any field with eight horses or less.

Too little too late. They were of some interest a few years ago when someone could put 10K on and people would go "Wow" These latest bet alerts are only alerting punters to how much of a joke the restrictions have tainted what used to be a thriving industry.

These small fields are a real turn off for the punter. Why not run them as none totes so we don't have to put up with watching them? Hope everyone made a ton of money on this one LOL

Looks like a roll back a few days... A few posts missing it seems