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I think they should have more grass track racing programmed in the summer down there on the days where there is no grass racing in Canterbury. It gives a varied punter experience and I am convinced it leads to bigger dividends and bigger fields chopping and changing from grass to grit. Also gives those horses with jarring grit track issues somewhere to race and those trainers chasing the grass in Canterbury might venture down south a bit more. House, Negus, Purvis, Jones, Hope might all be tempted. They definitely would if the stakes were a bit higher for the lower grade instead of pouring it all into slot races.

Lol even more absurd is they opened the maiden at 61s showing the bookies have no idea when setting prices. Already out to 201 which is more its true opening price

Watching the box seat I noticed another one of my pet peeves. Presenters spouting a load of rubbish without getting their facts right. In the above video at the 27:40 mark Whale claims Max Hill has only had about half a dozen drives, when he has actually had 574 drives and 34 wins. Get your facts right please this is basic stuff!

Good on Guerin for trying to address this on the box seat but it is not good enough for the stipes to say "Oh sorry I should have documented that on the night" It would be good if the stipes are going to be held to account a bit more as well as I could name 100 occasions where the stipes have let the punters down in the last couple of years.

Yes the turnover on those races will be terrible. I would take a 14 horse non winners field over a 5 horse 2yo field any time. Was tempted to go to Addington this week but having two 5 horse fields puts me off going as it is a waste of two hours in between those races.

I can not work out these late scratchings at all. Some who I think have made a fair start get scratched and others who get knocked over or stopped in their tracks stay in the field. Tessamae yesterday a good example, I thought it would be scratched for sure and ruin the good trifecta dividend but it stayed in the field.

Well it opened 1.28 so the bookies were being overly cautious. But the closing price is what the public deem to be the correct price based on the all the betting action so they did not fool that many with the price going out quite a bit. If everyone knew the driver was going to drive like that staying last on a 2.02 mile rate and the leaders coming home in 26.2 for the last 400m. The price would be closer to $5.00 so the driver fooled everyone not the bookies.

You would think there would be something in the stipes report about why the horse was not put in the race until it was finished being a 1.40 favourite expected to win. Have we got Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder doing it again this week?

Had to laugh at Matt Cross saying he would be going back with Rakero Rebel. Didn't he know Gavin "I only go forward" Smith was driving it. lol

No we are saying the time for the Marketplace race was a 2:02 mile rate and a 57 sec 800m so should have been put in the race, while the Republican Party race was 1:55 MR and a 54 half so no chance on that one.

I agree almost drove to get it beaten. Isn't there a rule for that, considering it was a very short favourite?

You must be looking at the 2year plans. Should be able to go month by month if you want. I think last time I used them it was around $15 US for the two months I used it. There will be other VPN providers that are cheaper maybe.

Very easy to bypass/access the NZ TAB from overseas using VPN. Go through a mobile network (Buy a dongle from an overseas provider) and use something like NORD to act as the NZ server.

Yes. Rule number one always back them when they go to Manawatu. The first four and trifecta in that first race paid great money. Cmon the treble now!

Just wait until Purdon gets his team up there and starts winning at 1.50. Mmmm can't wait for those $15 trifecta dividends. NOT!!!

Where are these surveys you speak of and the results. Transparency is crucial. Don't give us numbers without the proof.

Even better I got it at 31 and 5.50 and yes they paid out the full amount.

I am sure the animal cruelty activists will have a field day about forcing horses into work before they have fully properly developed.

Well I presume they are trying to give the Sunday racing crowd a look at a start close up. Good for them.

I doubt it very much. Turnover may be up slightly but people will not be spending more per race. There are more races so the numbers are fudged. Not many bookmaker will share fixed odds pools and let punters and competitors analyze their liabilities. Are there any you know of that publish this information?

I don't see a problem with it as long as it is a novelty one off. Wouldn't really want to start there all the time though.

Its not a very sharp bend that first bend on the grass.

Starting in front of the crowd

Not according to the pools info I have been seeing on the TAB website each week. Pools are definitely down in win, place and trifecta betting from my records. To me wagering growth means an increase in betting pool average not turnover. As you say turnover is easy to manipulate by throwing extra races and meetings in to jack up the numbers. Give me the averages of all the pool sizes from the last few years so I can see if pools are on the increase or not.

Pretty easy to take them for 50K-100K a year without them blinking an eyelid from late 1990s to around 2010 then it started getting serious with the UK bookmakers risk management style starting to infiltrate the Aussie and New Zealand markets. I got banned from my first Aussie bookmaker in around 2011 quickly followed by restrictions and bannings on all the others. NZ TAB started cutting me about 2014. Been in stealth mode ever since.