Nowornever

Auckland trotting club seems to make bad decision after bad decision. Is there ever any good news for them?

You are right but a mark of a good bookie is one who should get the opening prices as near to the closing prices as they can. What you and I are hoping for is some odds setters who struggle with this and get it totally wrong in which case that is where you get the value on your runner if you are lucky. Those races at Addington on Friday night are helped by the fact there are a number of stables who have burnt the bookies in the past. When you have Purdons, Telfers and Dunns in the same race with multiple horses where usually they like to have one of those stable runners sub $2 the recipe is there for a complete mind fuck for a non confident bookie.

Yes as predicted they are trying to keep all horses tight in the market. The 2yo fillies sires stakes already a few moves in the market so they got the prices wrong straight away. Gone Surfin $9.00 on opening LOL. No way the Purdon horse closes at 8.50 I am picking they got that one wrong as well.

Get ready for a good go this week Brodie.... Bookies will have absolutely no idea at Addington. Picking some good horses will be at insane odds. They can not keep them all at low odds 😂.

Demon Blue biggest overs I have seen for a Purdon runner for a while. Christmas came early this year

Yes I was keen on him as well thought he would do a good job in Australia with his mobile speed. Will be a four legged walking money machine if he goes over there.

This newly created position is a bit of a con is it not. Every man and his dog knows bigger even fields are the key to getting punters to open their wallets and produce higher turnover (Just look at the grass tracks) so unless this Peden guy can find some new horses especially in the North then he is pushing shit up hill. Even if he pulls these new horses out of his arse the hierarchy have disillusioned a lot of the smaller owners and trainers who have in turn given the game away and no amount of begging will get them back so who is going to own and train these new horses we do not have.

No good putting place odds up if you can not bet on them?

Yes a lot of the turnover related figures are not printed like they once were. Mainly because it does not make good reading. You can not pick holes in woeful decision making if you can not see the data. They used to publish the average dividend prices year upon year but that seems to have disappeared as well. Why? I am betting that also does not make good reading.

Not much point having a bet there now. Bookies will open the odds up again on the closing prices for the horses they had priced wrong. They get a free throw at the stumps. There were some big movers as well.

At least there will be a bit of variety in those fields hopefully. Hard to get interested in the pools tonight. Race 1 Win $3K place 1K Quin $1.6K Tri $2K

The measure of a successful meeting would be turnover and I have heard the Northern meetings do not generate the turnover to be viable by themselves, and need to be propped up by the Canterbury meetings. I blame the thickos that got rid of grass track meetings in the north as that effectively killed the northern harness racing vibe and probably the horse population up there leading to the current decline on turnover.

It must have been a good slight of hand I can't even work out what he is going on about LOL!

Never mind it will all be fixed soon galah! "I am keen to look at things from a different angle," says Peden nek minnit "We need to increase race starts per horse per year, we need to increase market share and turnover and we need to do something about foal numbers."

Well terrible betting spectacle and about the only interesting thing will be if she can win all the races otherwise:

A consistent 30 min interval between races would be logical. Mmmm logic. Yeh I think I see what the problem is.

If the gaps had opened up she would have been a genius. A lot of luck in a good and bad drive sometimes. Personally I hate it when a driver sits three deep the pegs has no patience and comes off at the turn only to get beaten by the horse on the fence who was sitting behind him. I could start a thread on that and there would be at least 2 or 3 every meeting.

Wrong decision for sure but nine times out of ten she would run top three at Cambridge from that position on the turn. Two things against her tonight, slushy track plus the leaders were stopping quickly in the pacing races. The racing up North at the moment is a waste of time as evidenced by the miserable pool amounts. Luckily the grass track racing is starting up this weekend in the south and I can open the wallet again and have a decent go.

Mmm where can I short the stock!

The problem you have is mostly CEOs and managers don't like other people coming up with ideas that are not their own. This is not a harness industry only problem. Great idea The Galah it gets my vote.

Terrible exotic prices compared to tote up to 70% less in some cases. Fixed odds the same and not sure on sport but probably same odds. Only benefit is the social media side which is interesting but even that will take a while to kick off.

Incorrect. I live for these sort of races because it so hard to pick for the average punter. Bigger dividends attract my dollar a lot more than a 1.50 favourite in an 8 horse field. That is one of the reasons that grass is so popular for punters. Also the racing in summer months is a lot better with the variation in horse form with horses coming from different tracks, grass to grit and grit to grass creates a better base for punting rather than the boring same horses racing the same horses on the same tracks all the time. Of course raising the number of horses currently racing is the key but If I were running the show I would be trying to create variation in the racing fields by attracting horses to race further away from their normal venues. Why don't they run some 15-20K maiden races a couple of weeks in a row at various venues and get trainers to travel. HRNZ could subsidize travel to make it more attractive. I agree with Galahs thoughts on creating a training base especially if it included a new grass racetrack. Resurrect another Hororata or something similar in that area halfway between Ashburton and Chch. Have a 2000m track or bigger with a 400m straight to make the racing more even instead of these 150m sprints up the straight. If Entain are so keen to throw money around then it could be called the Entain Raceway or Entain Harness Complex. Bring on major sponsors I am sure it could be done if the right people were behind it.

The last two are what will fix harness racing in my opinion. Also put a tax on all horses sold overseas (eg $5K) and put the money back into lower stakes. Try to retain horses here for longer. FFS going on the article on HRNZ today about the Tuesday meetings they are quite happy about the numbers. "We had planned for six races over the first six weeks and to get the numbers we have is very encouraging," says HRNZ Chief Executive Officer Brad Steele.

Seven races no field size bigger than 8 runners and four of them only have six runners. FFS this is a sick joke isn't it! Yet they will not fix the lower class racing and just keep pouring money into the bigger stakes racing hoping it will fix itself. Why would you think about owning a horse or start training in the hope you might be the 0.005% of the people that actually win one of those races while spending a fortune to do it. At the moment it is becoming even more of an elitists sport run by elitist people.

Yes you are correct, only in app.