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While it appears he has betrayed the trust of some of his clients,like an unhappy marriage, it is better for everyone concerned that things have come to a crisis point where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions. He can now start the process of recovery and repaying those he has offended against,and deal with the relevant enforcement authorities.He must have been under huge pressure knowing he was deceiving clients,so it was in his own best interests for the truth to be exposed. In reality he is also a victim,albeit self made. One would expect him to be totally honest about everything as he moves onto the dealing with the consequences phase. I think he will find he will have the support of many from an industry perspective, with of course his family being the backbone of his main support.. I don't think we should be too harsh on the how we view Mr kerr.

I know. But he's comparing amazing dream to machs little soky,a 4 win horse who's record shows it races best with cover. Total opposites in racing style.

So your now comparing Machs little soky with Amazing dream.You should quit while you're behind.

After 160 starts,jerry garcia showed again with last nights win that he is still as courageous as ever . What a marvelous job he has done for his connections,and what a fantastic job The O'reilly family have done in looking after him and training him so well. He's now 11,so who knows how much racing he has left,but no matter what his future results may be,i think he is the type of horse we all admire.

If you look at its record it has won 9 races either in front or parked over the last lap. Surely you recall its cup day run. I don't know how you could say it was not a team drive to benefit Beyond words. I really don't. Had he parked Beyond Words like every driver in nz would have,except an All stars team driver,,then amazing dream wins. Its no wonder the stipes took no action and didn't nip the operation inca races in the bud,before any police investigation. They would have had to deal with many in the industry who think some high profile participants have different standards to others. This thread is an example of that. Thats my last word on this thread.

Thats what we are disagreeing on. The plans and tactics prevented amazing dream achieve the best possible outcome. As to what finishing order you or i wanted. I had no preferred outcome as i never had a bet on that race.

The difference of course is that he trailed to help his other stable runners chances.

I don't think you need to have driven in races to have an appreciation of tactical nous. However I did some driving ,and was happy enough with my success rate,even though it was on a small scale. I believe you drive to the horses strengths. The only time you would ever take a trail on what clearly was the best horse was if it raced best with cover. And we know form amazing dreams previous races that it is a great stayer and leader. I think everyone knows purdon gave his advantage away because it was a stablemate. And that seem pre planned as the stablemate seemed fully aware it could get the lead as purdon was pulling back as soon as he saw it coming.

All the above comments are the very reasons we had an operation Inca. The continued blinkered justification of questionable drives leads to an environment in which what is acceptable and what is not becomes blurred. No doubt the very same people who say there was nothing wrong with the mark purdon drive would be very same ones to criticise the stipes had they held purdon accountable. They are also the very same ones that would have said there is nothing to see in the operation inca races,then have since criticised the stipes for not seeing at the time what the stipes later alleged. I don't know why some people don't get it. When the stipes don't take action you create a mindset and belief amongst some that what they are doing is in fact acceptable,when it clearly should not be. When will some people wake up and realise that had the stipes dealt with the operation inca races at the time,then most of those subsequently charged in operation inca would not have come under any scrutiny. At least i'm consistent. I made posts at the time in 3 of the operation inca races,calling for stipe action,when they apparently could not see what was obvious.Had the stipes taken the proper action at the time then it would all not have been that big a deal. When i look at the mark purdon drive on amazing dream i ask myself,why can't everyone see how wrong that drive was? The only conclusion i can come to is they don't want to see it. They may well think i'm a know all,but sobeit as i have strong opinions when it comes to horses being driven on their merits.

Did you think the amazing dream drive was dodgy?

Depends on the definition of race fixing. I always say the video doesn't lie. Its what happened.

Race fixing,same as nathan jack. "Good strategy" to put the horses in family members name. Isn't that what the mccarthy's for a while?

Isn't the very point of the RIU to be independent of influence. Harness,galloping, dogs and the tab are the shareholders aren't they? So how could harness clubs change much on their own,even if they wanted to,and who is saying they want to anyway?

Once it ended up parked after beginning so well,she had the the option of either going forward to lead or sitting parked. She chose to lead,but it was more the speed the original leader made her go to take the lead that took the edge off its sprint. It is an exciting horse to watch whatever way it races..

Who is a d dunn or tetrick? I judge a driver on whether the horses run for them and whether they are tactically good. I've seen Mr fitzgerald drive over recent years and think he's actually pretty good. He did make a mistake on jenabella at addington a couple of runs back,but thats a bit unusual for him.

They did breach the rules,its just the penalty seems too harsh. The JCA have to be consistent with future rulings,so i think there will be unease amongst drivers with the penalties.

Thats a very professional approach from you and Mr Purvis. Thats no doubt why mr purvis and you will get your horses to perform to the best of their abilities,whatever that may be.

Its a really tough horse. Reminds me of one of my old favorites ,Jerry Garcia.

That horse opened at a silly price given the way it had trialed before its first race. And the favorite in that race was left with no real chance of winning after making its move far too late. Well done to those who backed it at the long price. I wish i had seen that one.

I don't think they have a grudge against either you or j young. Its simply your not amongst their favorite drivers,probably because they have not had much luck when they have invested on your drives. I do agree with you that if anyone is going to offer an opinion about a drive,they should do so based on what they see off the video,not based on how it impacted their pocket. Its pretty obvious that Corravally star was pushed onto the fence,despite the efforts of J young to stay off the rail. Its also obvious that Jenabella had some sort of steering issue which was no fault of the driver. I think cross codes should have a look at the video again. I don't know why those details weren't covered in the stipes report. I would have thought in jenabella"s case the stewards should have had a vet examination,or at least looked in its mouth,or given driver comments,so as to keep punters better informed.

We just say drive the horse to achieve the best possible result. Mark purdon makes errors,just like anyone else. It is the motive for the error which is what we are discussing. I find it ironic that someone calling themselves gammalite is arguing that taking a trail automatically gives any horse the best opportunity to win.

You ask why i have decided amazing dream is better than Beyond Words. With that statement you have just proved the merit,or lack of in your statements. How often did you hand up the front after getting an easy lead on the $1.10 favorite? And Purdon saying it is best driven with a trail is an absolute joke when you look at its racing patterns. You say a great result for the ALL Stars. Again that is where your argument is flawed. Here we are complaining about team driving and you refer to their success as a team. The forlorn task is getting you to admit the obvious. Purdon's decision to trail Beyond words was based on it being trained by him,not on what was best for his chances..That decision appeared pre planned. Had the roles been reversed then nobody would have had an issue,because everybody knows Amazing dream is the best horse. Forbury may get a bit carried away sometimes,but that doesn't mean what he says is wrong. I,and i think everyone else know Purdon went out there with every intention to win,its just the way he executed that intention was badly flawed,he sacrificed amazing dreams chances,for the benefit of the team.You won't see a more obvious case of team driving,period,and he should be given a holiday for it.

I don't know what form book you use,but Amazing dream is the better horse and would outstay Beyond Words anyday. Purdon was pulling back as soon as he saw it coming. It appeared pre planned. I don't think your arguing this topic on its merits. I think you enjoy taking the opposite view.

Come on Gammalite. Be honest. Your telling us,Amazing dream,the horse you say should have won the NZ ffa 2 starts ago,and who is renowned for its stamina,should drop in behind a 4 win horse. Its a no brainer. Everyone who was watching thought he was doing it to assist the his stablemate. It cost him the win. He's not there to drive to help his stablemate win,hes there to drive his horse in a way that gives it the best chance of winning. p.s. i did not have a bet on the race.

Don't think they will do anything,but i do agree that was a bad case of team driving gone wrong. Mark purdon is a great trainer,but i think he would be only driver in nz to think dropping into the trail was a bright move. He does drive some shockers sometime and opens himself up to criticism. The question is was it team driving,and did it diminish amazing dreams chances. I personally think the answer to both is yes,without any doubt whatsoever.