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If the is article correct,it clearly infers coleman thought weatherley was entitled to "go for the run" as coleman put it. Surely that is a very disturbing assessment by coleman. Doesn't that just sum up the mindset of some jockeys and in effect highlight why this incident happened. How else could you interpret what coleman has said.

Do you think they need to smooth it out a bit? What did your stables driver have to say about it?I have often wondered why they don't put on it, a small layer of whats on the inside track,level it out with the level they have,then put the grass clippings over the top. I guess when you have had a bit of rain like canterbury did over the winter,that it pools in the low spots of areas like a crossing,and when it dries out the slight dip is accentuated. You just have to look after it rains a bit to see whether crossings on any track are smooth or not. The rest of the track looked to be in great order?

Back to the topic that started this thread. I have just read the decision and it seems because of what the stipes said,those hearing it dismissed the protest. Well in my opinion what the stipes said is clearly not backed up by the video evidence. They say his gallop commenced from its last stumble,yet the horse stumbled 3 times in the prior 50m. The video shows the horse had a similar action for about 15m prior to the final stumble,as it did for a couple of strides after the last stumble.So if its action for a couple of strides after its last stumble is included,then why not include the distance when the action is exactly the same immediately prior.. They also say yes it did gallop just inside the 200m mark,but that gallop had no significance to the distance being counted as it wasn't continuous for 50m.. They also say they couldn't establish whether the distance was 50m or just less,but even going from the point they counted it from,if you stop the video and count the number of posts holding the running rail up from where they say the gallop started,there are a couple more than when you count them when the horse returns to a pace,therefore thats more than 50m. I think this was a very poor decision.

Trainor used to work for cran dalgety at the same time as dexter dunn i think.He was always a nice driver but does seem to have gone to another level over there with his driving. I have noticed trainor always seems to have his horse in the right position in races,whether it be coming from the front or the back.In my opinion the other drivers trainor sometimes puts on his horses all seem top drivers,but sometimes to me i wonder if they have some sort of team thing going on. They never take each other on and if one ends up in front and the other in the trail they always make room for the trailer.It works for them i suppose,but i think its noticeable. That happens over here in my opinion with s phelan sacrificing his own horses chances all the time to benefit the other stable runner,but the difference at menangle is they underdrive the lesser chances.Thats just my opinion. I never bet there because of that and the mile racing . As to trainors success as a trainer. Well he is like the fella jason grimson.They make other good trainers look like they can't train all the time. They may be better trainers than the likes of geoff webster,but are they that much better? i find it hard to believe that the gap between trainers like that is so great.But look at the results of majestic cruiser and stingray tara and you would think webster just not in the same ballpark.

I was just pointing out that if you go by the normal definition of heritage,maori heritage doesn't apply to most new zealanders.And no i don't think changing names means much. I still call mt cook,mt cook. Everyone i know still does. I'm no expert on maori language,but i have watched a few documentaries on it,and isn't there different dialects of te reo maori based around what tribe and what region they come from. I realise that going to just the one maori language means anyone new speaking it could understand it,but there are many maori saying that they are still losing their heritage and identity by doing that,and having just the one maori language interpretation is another example of pakeha imposing their way of doing things? So isn't that rather patronising. The answer i would have thought would be to give maori enough resources to educate their people,and anyone else who chooses to learn it instead of mandating it for everyone in schools,businesses,government departments,etc.So much about mandating the language is just fake to me.

Thats one understandable way to look at it.That was original reaction as well.But i suppose we could also look at it from another perspective. Hamish Hunter has been a very successful trainer /driver over several decades. One of those trainers that always seemed to have a good team of handy horses and would occasionally come up with a very good horse. One of those old school trainers who if you met you would think what a lovely fella he is.I guess that is why he has had the respect and admiration of his many owners and fellow southland trainers over the years. But i guess no one can't stop getting old and Hunter seems to have scaled back on his numbers and seems quite happy doing what he has always loved doing on a small scale and it just happens to be with horses who are no stars,more your bread and butter type horses. Hunter probably got as much of a shock as punters in the improvement of teddy baker,but on the other hand would have been happy that he had provided a horse that was dewe first winner. Its always good to see a trainer willing to pass on a horse to someone else and let them have a go with it. maybe teddy baker is one of those high energy horses that runs best if they can take that high energy onto the track. Certainly seemed to be the case. Not many horses like that,but you do see that occasionally. Maybe dewe has found the key. I wonder if he can keep reproducing something similar in the future racing..

I see he said he thought putting blinds on helped. Previous trainer A hunter had been racing the horse with some type of blinds on,maybe pull downs?,but dewe put a different type by the looks of it.

You say kiwis embrace Te Reo,i say the given the choice, the vast majority of kiwis do not willingly or enthusiastically embrace it. And when you refer to maori heritage i say you actually have the reason why i say that is.Reality is the vast majority of new zealanders have no descendants or predecessors who were maori.That is the definition of heritage isn't it. Just look at the stats. In 2021 they say 16.5% of new zealanders identified as having maori ethnicity. Of course even i,with no maori heritage, could do that as for census purposes you don't have to have any maori heritage whatsoever. Just have to identify as being maori. Just as i could identify myself as being female when i'm not.15% of kiwis say they are asian,9% say they are polynesian and of course the other 70% say they have european descendants. Isn't auckland known as the polynesian capitol of the world.Do you really think they embrace te reo over their own languages? Like i have said earlier,also look at who is driving the push for the maori language, then have a look at what other issues are of importance to those people. Interesting wagon to hitch yourself too. No ones denying the significance or importance of te reo for to those who identify as maori,just be honest and recognise that te reo is not important to the vast majority. That is why the only way for the labour government to make it so,is to indoctrinate future genreations by way of the education system. If it was as important to non maori as you make out,then they would not have had to do that would they.

Can anyone tell me how that horse held 3rd in the last race. Anyone could see it galloped for at least 100m. I defy anyone to watch the race and tell me they couldn't see that.I did not mix its gait,it galloped.I've watched it a dozen times. The rule is you can't gallop more than 50m in the last 200m isn't it. Well that horse galloped over 100m,more like 120m.. No wonder people don't have much faith in the rules being applied consistently when they see stuff like that happen. Do the people who make these decisions just look at who trains them,in this case the all stars,and base their decisions on that. Probably the most biased decision ever seen.Either that or the dumbest decision ever made by those officiating. Just watch the video.

No idea how i got to have the teddy baker thread repeated and come up under the yonkers thread i just started. Don't know how that works. Who knows? must have pushed a button somewhere. Good thing i'm not in charge of activating a nuclear bomb.

What an amazing turnaround in form. The first ever runner from the T Dewe stable after moving there in the last couple of weeks. 17 prior starts for the A Hunter barn,for 3 minor placings in the lower grade of the non win races. Always very one paced. Today it seemed off its tree pre start,then comes out and runs 2.54 for 2400,and as the trackside presenter noted,looked like it wanted to do another lap as it took off again after the finish.

Thats a good point. He did have it looking very healthy. Normally when you see a horse so hyped before the start like it was, you think its using up all its energy before they race,but this one amazingly looked as the trackside presenter described,like it could do another round.It was still running fast 400m after the post when the trackside camera cut away from it. it went 2 seconds faster than in any other race all day. It had run 4 times over the distance and the fastest it had run was 4 weeks ago where it ran 3.01,so its improved 7 seconds today.

What an amazing turnaround in form. The first ever runner from the T Dewe stable after moving there in the last couple of weeks. 17 prior starts for the A Hunter barn,for 3 minor placings in the lower grade of the non win races. Always very one paced. Today it seemed off its tree pre start,then comes out and runs 2.54 for 2400,and as the trackside presenter noted,looked like it wanted to do another lap as it took off again after the finish.

Doesn't seem so does it. You could try the help desk.I did recently but no help whatsoever to even a basic question.

I agree the chief sometimes twists things to promote his own of point of view and that can be a bit frustrating but have never felt anything he has said should discourage anyone with an opposite point of view from posting. You are so way off when you come to your comments about the other sites history with several posters on here.They have moderated and banned many simply for having opinions different from theirs. The worst thing they have done is give the personal details of who is posting under a non de plume to their mates who then make personal attacks.This site lets us express what we think,with no fear of the retribution you used to get on the other site.

Thats the point isn't it brodie. The last census in NZ in 2018 said only 4% of the population could hold a conversation in Maori,up 1% from the previous census. Whereas 90% can in english. The whole point of having language is to be able to communicate with someone. Today they kept playing maori songs on trackside,so i just turned it off.Whats the point in that stuff when over 95% of the population can't understand a word being said. Even if they reach their goal in 2040 of one in 6 being able to hold a basic conversation,that would still mean 83% of the population won't be able to. I have heard many times people say the same thing. Its an issue polarising and dividing people where there was none before. Its what the labour government is best at doing.

I believe the answer for addington is to run races with a decent $30,000 stake for the ones you can't attract because of the reasons discussed. For example run a couple of races every few weeks that excludes horses trained by trainers with a udr rate of over say 2.6,or trainers who train no more than say 25 horses or both..Something along those lines. To qualify they would simply have had to run in races anywhere in a certain time frame.Make them over 2600m.If the numbers are decent,run heats/final with the heats being penalty bearing. The winter rewards type races worked. Why doesn't addington give the smaller trainers something to aim at. Don't they run gallops over at randwick they call highway races,where the country comes to town,which excludes the bigger trainers. They are very successful.

I don't think the people who no longer breed their mares would be able to afford buying the best as you put it. So not a realistic answer.

Where we disagree is where you say "apart from a very small minority new zealanders have embraced the change".I would say a more accurate description is those with the loudest voices are driving change. So the wheel may have turned,but in reality has it? If you want the next generation to behave,think,talk as you think they should, then you do so by creating an education system that teaches them in a way to result in them believing what you want them to believe. History shows that. Those pushing agendas like how to defines ones sex,what is racist what is not,whether opportunity should be based more on things such as race or gender over merotocracy, etc are driving what is taught in schools. Maori language is part of their agenda.You say its a good thing,i say be careful what you wish for. And where does pasifika speakers come into the equation. Just under 10% of new zealanders are from pacific nations,yet they say only about 37% can speak their own language.Why does the maori language trump that when it comes to their education? When you refer to racists,a word i believe used to slur people far too easily,you seem to be coming from one side of the argument. But of course they exist on both sides.

Thats like saying its a good thing the industry now has only half the number of trainers there were 25 years ago,because the best ones still train.

I get that Maori language is an important part of Maori identity and culture and that it gives those with maori heritage a sense of connection and pride around their heritage. I fully understand that all maori should be encouraged to pursue that. What i don't get is how maori language has been allowed to become part of a much larger agenda by those outside maoridom that believe to be seen as inclusive and caring,you have to have certain attributes and knowledge,maori language being one of those. People should learn it if they want,but those teaching and informing us of what its really like to be maori and the significance of their language and their culture should have a close connection to knowing what it means to be maori. Ask yourself this. If in 15 years time the government reaches its target of having 1 million new zealanders being able to speak maori and knowing all things maori,are you going to be happy having the asian professor teaching your grandchildren everything about maori culture and language,the english opera singer singing the maori national anthem at the start of a rugby test,the american tour guide telling the tourists about the significance of the rotorua tourist attractions or visiting the site of some of the maori wars and talking about the history. Because to me that is where you may be heading. Having a pakeha talk on the news or on trackside as if they somehow have a sense of what being maori i find to be unauthentic and to a degree patronising.. It feels fake to me. I never commented on the correct pronunciation did i. I commented on you saying someone should be barred or moderated because they had a view that you interpret to be racist.That you somehow think you can tell from a couple of sentences that its ok to slur someone with that.

No surprise to see them win.If you go through the records of the last 4 months you would see the Telfers would have won about 60%,probably higher, of the races they have entered horses in. When they have runners that get beaten its normally in a race where they have provided the winner anyway. Their strike rate recently is similar to what the all stars would have been at their peak. Realistically, if they maintain that dominance and the all stars runners return to their peak,then you will only see a couple of other stables entering horses in races in which they enter. The times they run just kicks the heads in of the others normally. Last night you had aardies express win so easily in a 1.54 mile rate,while the rest,including a couple of handy horses were spread out like browns cows. You hear them on trackside wondering why trainers and owners don't line up at addington where they have the better stakes. Its so obvious people don't want to be the person that just makes up the numbers for the sake of a few $,and wouldn't put their pride and joys through the experience of watching other horses disappear into the distance . Watching good horses win is nice,but lets be honest and acknowledge the gap between the high achievers and the rest is huge, insurmountable in fact. People know that. Its a significant reason why people don't breed anymore,its a significant reason why they don't train or race anymore,and its a significant reason why,if they are still going, they sell their horses overseas.

I see this horse finished the length of the straight last ,down to a walk and a vet check found nothing wrong with the horse. Earned $1000 yet Couldn't even run qualifying time. It went almost 20 seconds slower than the winner. Whats the point in having to pay someone $1000 in stakemoney so as to get them to run in a race where their horse is made to look hopeless?

I see this horse finished the length of the straight last ,down to a walk and a vet check found nothing wrong with the horse. Earned $1000 yet Couldn't even run qualifying time. Whats the point of having to pay someone $1000 in stakemoney to get them to run in a race where their horse is made to look hopeless?

Calling someone racist because they say they prefer to hear a presenter on trackside talk in a language they understand instead of one they don't,is such an over the top comment. Suggesting his comments should have been moderated or blocked i think the stupidest thing i have ever read on here.