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You put the video up,and like i say it always tells the story.Anyone who watches the video can make up their own mind. I never said it wasn't going to drop out to last,and yes i have done my own stats as to where the winners in those mile races down south draw. There is a definite pattern. But if your opinion is that Play Philly was driven in a manner to obtain the best possible finishing position,then that about sums up why i often disagree with you. So on this occasion the people with the arbitrage and algorithms, as you put it, were mugs in my opinion to bet on a $1.40 shot to win,when that horse was driven by Mr Close.And so it proved. As i have said before,mr close is one of the most naturally talented drivers in nz,but as doomed stated earlier,punters deserve better than to see a $1.40 shot driven like a 50/1 shot.Thats my last comment on that race.

Just wanting it to have a soft run before the bigger races for 3yo fillies that are to come in Southland. Just taking the punters for mugs. But the stipes enable it through their inaction. It is what it is.

That reply makes me smile as well chief. I know i annoy you to a certain degree.

Someone needs to tell them to take the caps off the binoculars when watching the races.

I agree the racing is often very uncompetitive. I just watched my first race there tonight won by franco mac and it was a walking race over 1 mile. It was like robbie close had given the driving instructions to everything in the field.Some of those races aren't competitive. Mind you even southland can't even come up with anywhere near full fields. The racing down there just isn't the same as it used to be. Just watch todays races and especially those miles no one ever bothers to move up.There are some drivers who get 7 and 8 drives a day but i personally just don't bother having a bet if they are on my top selection. People should go and have a look at play philly in race 6 at winton today.It closed paying $1.40 to win.Now who in their right mind would have backed a robbie close drive paying as little as that. But i can tell you anyone who did would be put off betting for some time it was just another non trying drive.The stipes accepted his explanation.I was laughing to be honest because i predicted it,but really its not funny. And your right about those covid numbers brodie. Just 7 days ago it was plastered all over the media that they were predicting 50,000 by waitangi day.Got to keep the fear up. Looks like they are only going to be out by 49,500. I see a USA poll found the vaccinated more scared of getting sick than the unvaccinated. I suppose in some ways that makes sense.

Do you live in a cave chief?

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What is that comment about.If your going to reply to me,don't infer i have said something when i have said the opposite. And i've never commented on the dunn stable. So again,whats that about? Whats clear by this thread is the chief is trying to get someone to take the bait and say something negative about the dunn stable on this forum,so the chief can defend them. But that hasn't happened so it seems to have developed into a strange conversation with me. So in the words of that programme dragons den...I'm out chief.

Not exclusive moral compass,just read the JCA reports on them. Everyone has their own opinion.

2007 a synthetic hormone. Reports at the time said he wasn't happy authorities didn't tell him they had developed a new test for it.Bute,every prominent trainer has one of those according to you,cobalt...thats a nothing according to you....In fact going by your logic all the above bears the hallmark of a leading trainer. Sounds like just the fella to train one for you if you want chief.

Brauns record doesn't tell you anything. Well that about sums up your view on the topic. Off the top of my head greg and nina hope, michael house ,tony herlihy,nathan williamson all top 10 trainers who i can't recall having any positives.If they have well they would be like ken barron and phil williamson who may have had a positive but only in circumstances that people understand there was no intention to cheat. No doubt many other top trainers if you wanted to go through the list.

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I know you haven't suggested anything untoward, i guess you have just been drumming up a bit of a talking point which hasn't taken off. I'm not sure off n gone and spellbound have improved lengths after leaving the dunn stable. Maybe they just aren't racing the calibre of opposition they were when racing here. Dean braun had a positive for a synthetic hormone back in 2007,then wasn't he one of those trainers let got a relation to train instead for a few years,then made a comeback and got a cobalt positive. So if your suggesting the CEO of HRNZ still owns off n gone,then don't you have to ask what does that say? I mean brauns record tells you something surely

"Even with all this beach magic bullshit that you read about here and there from harness conspirators and distractors". I might have missed it,but on this forum isn't the chief the only one talking about that? So i don't think thats a subject getting much traction on here. The one thing i would say is when it comes to being accurate about that type of thing,then this forum has been accurate in discussing beforehand,those eventually proved to have breached the rules in recent times,with the obvious exception of the all stars.And that type of talk around that stable has gone quiet recently. I would suggest people have greater confidence in the RIU being pro active and doing their job than what they used to have.I say keep up the good work RIU.

Well it is from what has been reported. For example a Sarah Izhaki plead guilty to offering to distribute a form of EPO as well as offering masking agents. Texts on her phone indicated she had supplied dozens of trainers. She was caught offering to supply investigators who posed as horsemen. Got the drugs from mexico.She apparently sometimes sold it from the back of her car in supermarkets carparks Many of the cases are ongoing,many have negotiated plea deals where they have plead guilty to the major charges if others were dropped,and so on. Its been widely reported that amongst all the evidence is proof of widespread use of products used as blocking agents,masking agents,EPO agents and products similar to clenbuterol and viagra. A part of many of the cases was the resulting evidence of horse cardiac issues,leg fractures and horse deaths. Its been widely reported that these products were "used to manipulate horse racing across the globe". Obviously the prosecutors focus has been on the USA citizens they can punish. So chief i think you will have a hard job convincing anyone that those importing,distributing and using the products over many years,and who based that use on the results they got,were all duped with snake oil.

All this talk of diluting something,or what one specific type of drug does,etc may be accurate specific to that,but it just ignores the totality of what he was doing and what type of drug was used for what. I started another thread about what is happening in new york last year and quoted what the experts employed by racing administrators in the usa had said.For example EPO . They laid out all the additional treatments and blood monitoring that went with its use,and basically said whenever authorities came up with a test to identify its use,the crooks who manufactured it just changed some small part of it and they could no longer detect it anyway. Also those leading the charge for a level playing field were extremely critical of many leading racing administrators openly saying they were corrupt and enablers.That is why they went to federal authorities for assistance,with some key players funding the investigation in secret without the knowledge of racing adminstrators,and is why they gathered the evidence the way they did.That is how they decided was the best way to expose the cheats and make them pay. And pay they certainly have and will. Its clearly ruined the careers of many of the crooks and brought about their financial ruin and the investigation also branched out into other corrupt practices totally unrelated to racing. Thats why it is so fascinating and just goes to prove what has gone on for years undetected.There is no denying it. Just follow the case and its all there.

All good points but i'm also sure the TAB have some type of computer programme or some type of alert system which operates on some tab account holders.For example they know if someone is constantly betting similarly on 2 different accounts,thus when it comes to putting bets on the second account the odds are always reduced within 10 seconds of the bets going on the first account. Thats more than coincidence.

I guess that to make a profit from betting on horse racing,you have to have other punters invest on horses who you don't consider chances. If there is less % of people investing on horses who aren't chances,and those left doing the investing are the better judges of raceform,then that means the % betting on the better chance will be greater,meaning the horses with the chances will pay less,and therefore the profits will become less,which leads to even less investment. I think that is a factor in dividends today. Just look at the whales selections. He knows his stuff,is a big influencer of prices,but i doubt the whale watch selections would turn a profit as he kills any value. And as to the future,you would think the casual punters discretionary $ that they use to bet with will be reduced,given the way the economy has gone with inflation,rising future mortgage payments because of % rates, ridiculous debt levels because of housing prices and rents. So things aren't that rosey.

I agree that the TAB don't want the business of punters who win more than they lose. 95% of horses i bet on odds drop within seconds(not minutes) of my having a bet and i'm betting $20-$100 and they can be to win as little as $20,but thats how it works.They do take my bets,but they know i bet on a couple of accounts so by dropping the odds i think its their best way of discouraging me from betting.And i've worked out over the years that overall i make about a 15% profit on what i spend,but since in recent months they have developed some sort of computer program to drop the prices,its not that profitable. Some would argue that is good business from the TAB,but it doesn't encourage turnover. And i've been watching for the last 3 months everything i back on the tote,where i do the bulk of my betting,is dropping in prices as well. Its not my imagination,as i've kept a record of it. And i don't consider myself a big spender. Maybe its the pools are small,but something is going on which seems strange to me. Anyway the point is if its happening to me i'm guessing its happening to others,and that will lead to amounts in betting pools reducing,which ultimately will discourage betting even more. You know there are some punters out there who spend a lot of money at the tab. I'm not one in the big boys category myself,but some can spend 2 or 3 million a year just on the tote. But i know thats not going to last when their returns don't justify their investment.

I'm not sure why people in this thread refer to the dunn stable turning stellas delights form around.Am i missing something as its officially shown as g burgess as the trainer. J dunn drove it,but he gets the best out of anything. They did win with mark dunnett at a good price,but if you had watched t nally drive down south you wouldn't have given it much chance. Down there he has never shown any aggression tactically in about 3 years of driving.I often think they have to wake him up when the race finishes,but yesterday he drove the inch perfect race. Maybe he can drive after all. I'm guessing thats why the horse paid so much. I do agree with gammalite about the high flyn harry price. $42 was unreal. I was kicking myself i didn't back it as i had it on top, but thought the draw would stop it and just left that race alone and didn't look at the price pre race.K Newman drive on this horse at westport i thought was terrible and i thought he was lucky not to get a penalty,but one poorly judged drive amongst countless good drives means punters should always have confidence when he drives one.

So you seem to be suggesting that the trainers who gave evidence they sought out the vet, because of his reputation for supplying the best performance enhancers that wouldn't be picked up by testing, were duped.And so many top trainers amongst them and all so gullible. And it went on for years. And what did you make of the taped conversations(e.g. the death camp tape).Was that just bad luck,and the vet saying the formula wasn't right was just another way of keeping up the charade? And the trainers who sought out the vet supplying the performance enhancers. Are you saying they have done nothing wrong and aren't dishonest,just fools.All they did was use what they thought were performance enhancers,but weren't actually performance enhancers. Your obviously a knowledgeable man,but your choosing to ignore a mountain of evidence.

We are on the same side of the argument and i support your expressions of dismay around the consequences of decisions that have been made by racing leadership.. One of the consequences is the decision of trainer Trudy keegan to use a fake passport to continue to be able to operate as a trainer. The stress that woman must have been put under to come to that decision,and the ongoing stress for her and her family is a direct result of racing administrators decisions.Its dispicable that people like that have been forced to give up their job,their lifestyle,their income,their health,their belief structures and everything else that goes with it. Racing leadership just sit there in their offices making decisions and just go home at the end of their working day with little thought or caring for the impact they have on peoples lives.

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Ok. I have to admit i am a bit confused about what you have said. If as you say the CJC decision to not have small numbers on track for this one meeting "wants to make you throw up and give up",wouldn't you have already felt the same beforehand when you been excluded indefinitely from all nz meetings? Maybe you are just trying to drive home the point that its unfair to exclude anyone ,and i'm with you on that.It was racing and the tab's that made that decision. No law as such saying they had to.

I'm guessing you read the other 2 or 3 sentences in my reply. The point i was making was you have people with vaccine passes going along with racing excluding those who don't,but when the vaccinated get excluded from riccarton,they get upset because they are being treated differently from those at other courses. So wheres the consistency of your argument .It seems people only protest when it effects them. I was making the point that you will now have more empathy for how the unvaccinated racing enthusiasts feel.