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It is comical though, a site claiming to be the Premier site (the FB site seems to have a lot more going on), dominated by a small group of very opinionated, anonymous posters, with strange names, pulling to bits all and sundry to do with racing in this country, expecting that anyone in racing administration would engage them in debate. A debate that would very quickly turn rogue, because that is their nature. If you can't see that, you must be thick. They are a long long way away from what the site was when Dave and Ange managed to build it up so well, to the go to forum for anyone interested or involved in racing

That is always going to happen. The better thing to look at is the number of people reading each thread, and those numbers look quite good. Things can change very quickly in this world

I have noticed for a while, that Entain making a good profit seems to be a dirty word in some sectors of the racing industry. The sectors that you see on social media anyway. I think the idea of making a profit is so they can make increasing payouts to the racing industry after Year 5, so the industry can invest and ultimately become sustainable and grow. An industry from my observation, that is intent on not helping itself

Have you been served yet

That may or may not be the case, but it is irrelevant. Entain are seen to promoting gambling responsibly, further backed up by the array of tools on their website to assist people who may be having problems

Lotto has blanket advertising for all its products; therefore young people can't help but be targeted

Yes, but they will race at Cambridge and Te Rapa until the new site is ready, so that will require substantial financing until they can get the input of funds from the sale of those 2

Ads, that never had a warning to gamble responsibly, that all TAB ads have

No idea, but it would seem the only way ahead. A deal to purchase the site in question conditional on a sale of Waipa

That smallish group of rednecks make a lot of noise but nothing of any substance, call their bluff and they will quietly slip away Fast fading violets covered up in leaves; And mid-May's eldest child, The coming musk-rose, full of dewy wine, The murmurous haunt of flies on summer eves. John Keats

It is still gambling and can lead on to more serious gambling

Waikato Thoroughbred Racing (WTR), if it all goes to plan, should be a cash rich club, so they may fall into the same trap of subsidising from cash reserves

In other words, make enough profit

They are going to need substantial financing over upwards of 10 years. Do you think any bank will look at them unless they have a sound and comprehensively detailed business plan. Just looking at the article, it would appear the sale of Waipa would set the ball rolling and provide the initial money for land purchase and development of the site, but a truckload more financing will be needed and secured through the potential sales of Cambridge and Te Rapa, once the site is finished

The Bud Light and Jaguar backlashes were about the use of new brand marketing that alienated existing conservative customers. Not a good analogy with the Waikato Greenfields though

New state of the art facilities that meet world standards are being built all the time in NZ for various sports and activities. It is the future. as simple as that, regardless of the mistakes of the past.

I guess the TAB has an advantage, in that so much has moved to online. About 50 outlets left and 400 pubs and clubs, which are self-service. Whereas 1400 Lotto outlets So the tools for problem gambling can be used more effectively. As you say, shoulder tapping could be hazardous lol

So nothing has changed lol

There you go Can only be online Spend limits are changing | Lotto NZ | Lotto New Zealand

Isn't it up to the site owner to police this If I recall correctly, his line has always been, prove it or withdraw. Or are they getting back to the old days of Molloy and co, of double standards and favoured species

Adding to this, Lotto has only one tool to assist in betting responsibly 'Spend Limits" Whereas the TAB has a whole section on tools to assist, called Safer Betting Resources So once again, you would have to say that Entain/TAB have taken a lot more of a responsible approach to harm minimisation

46%, so 54% returned in prizes Just over half of that 46% goes as sports and community grants. It may be dressed up with all the warm fuzzies, but still gambling and like the TAB, readily available online now. On one hand we have part of the proceeds of gambling funding an industry, and increasingly more, sports organisations On the other, the proceeds supporting community and sports organisations. Just had a look through some of the Lotto ads, and there is no reference to betting responsibly, whereas with Entain/TAB every advert/promotion has a reference to bet responsibly, even when Trackside presenters are promoting having a bet. So, you would have to say, that Entain have taken a lot more responsible approach to the promotion of gambling New Zealand’s Gambling Advertising Code (administered by the ASA) has rules on how gambling can be advertised — including care about audiences, placement, and no targeting of minors. ASA - Advertising Standards Authority That code doesn’t say every Lotto ad must carry a specific warning label, but it does require advertisers to consider harm and audience appropriateness. Not sure how audience appropriateness is accommodated, when they are advertising mainstream at times when there is viewing by children

Not a lot different to the tens of millions of dollars spent over the years on mainstream media, promoting Lotto to all age groups. Seems to have become an accepted part of NZ society, nobody blinks The media regularly report on the weekly pool and winning prize money.

The guy is a halfwit, in the same category as Wightman and Herlihy, 2 others that also think that the racing industry has regard for what they say, other than a small group of redneck followers buoying up their lame ego

I think it is fair and justified comment, that the racing administrators we have in NZ do not have a great record at managing change, and therefore the lack of faith that does exist is justified