Noodlum

Oh I just thought that this Government would have got rid of him straight away. It was years before the virus. So back to racing do you bet offshore? Do you use apps? Which ones?

I don't really want to talk about politics but I don't see it anywhere as bad as what this Government did with that European drug guy. Do you bet offshore predominantly?

That's cool. Yes I was on course for many of his wins. I guess there is some irony for you with his name being Muldoon spelt backwards.

That's a great post Freda.

What is your interest in racing?

But you need a bit to control the tongue.

Yes but to be fair to Curious he has a stable full of fillies he thinks are "quite cute."

I think Holy Ravioli is a young naive Communist. If he isn't young then he must have missed all the revolutions because based on what he has written he wouldn't have survived any. Eh Holy - China needs you!

Don't be surprised if they roll out the line - " At this critical juncture it is important that we maintain Senior Management continuity."

Cool.

Well done Curious. I see Foxton is on the list. I guess Levin is now screwed though.

You know that argument is the most spurious of all your arguments. I'd sack any trainer, no matter where they were based, if I had a horse good enough to compete in the Guineas for $500k and they wouldn't travel. When's Tony Pike finishing his packing for Australia?

Quite a bit actually. It is South Island racing's week in the limelight. But not only for the general public but the hard working Canterbury racing people. You see your marketing viewpoint is what has been prevalent at the NZRB/RITA for the last 15 years and where is racing because of it? They've fucked with tradition and where has it got us? They've been aided and abetted by the Waikato elite and look what has happened to their local meetings. What's wrong with a proportion of the crowd doing that? Are you suggesting that the piss up and social occasion would continue without the horses? As I said above one of the biggest reasons we are in this mess is they that have the power have changed things and have screwed with tradition. Comparatively Cup Week in Christchurch is the most successful RACING carnival in New Zealand. It was and still is!!!! So since you are rolling out the wise sayings how about this one - "If it ain't broke why try and fix it?" I don't think there are any Aces in your pack.

That's a dumb ass argument. The Guineas vs the Derby and Oaks are run at completely different ends of the season! Different distances too! You haven't provided any NEW reasons for shifting the Guineas and screwing the South Island's gift to NZ racing - the biggest racing carnival for 3 codes over the space of a week. Using your logic you'd shift the Sir Trisrtam 3yr Old Classic (now the David and Karyn Ellis) to Riccarton because the 1000 Guineas has bigger fields and more turnover!

I have no idea. They were quoted by All The Aces. Geez as far as information for stakeholders bring back Purcell and Allen!! This new lot are hiding everything and what is being produced is marketing bullshit.

I don't agree with that extreme. But why not $250k?

And none of the three clubs paid their way on the day in terms of stakes paid versus net betting revenue. Ellerslie did the worst by far. Not counting the other races on the day but the Derby alone $1m in stakes. Turnover $851k; revenue about $140k BEFORE costs. So a net loss of $860k at least. I would say Riccarton the best. $500k - $77k = -$433k. Plus you need to consider the lower stakes for supporting races at Riccarton and overall turnover. Which would give Riccarton a better raceday result. Your North Island mates might want to consider the bigger picture before they screw up the Guineas. All three relied on subsidisation from elsewhere.

Didn't say it was perfect. It seems I need to break my posts down to smaller pieces so you can comprehend. The point was about the criteria used for closing tracks down needed to be fair and of benefit to the industry as a whole. Selling Ellerslie and Trentham would be of benefit to the industry. Thanks for the "afterthought". Why take them when the South has two great Grp 1 3yr old races anyway raced during NZ's only multi-code racing carnival. Are you suggesting that Grp One races should only be held at Ellerslie? "Going pretty well since coming North" is fairly subjective at best. How have they "gone well"? The Guineas have gone well at Riccarton for the last 40 years as part of NZ's most successful multi-code racing carnival.

Not EVERYONE agrees with the rationalisation of tracks. However what many disagree with is the criteria being used to close tracks. Most of those defending their own patches are asking for a fair deal. For example if we applied some fair and reasonable criteria then Trentham and Ellerslie would be the first to close. Both don't have any resident or for that matter close populations of horses in training. Neither actually pay their way in racing without industry subsidisation nor income derived from other sources. Both have declining attendance figures. Both have tracks that have marginal racing surfaces at the best of times and certainly cannot sustain Winter Racing. Ellerslie actually closes down for most of the winter. Both have highly valuable real estate (return on capital is appalling) that if sold would provide substantial funding for the rest of the industry. Unfortunately selling Hokitika, Reefton and even 20 other racecourses won't get you the same amount of capital - not even close! You show the same ignorance as most of our administrators. I know for a fact that there have been South Island owners involved in winning since 2011. By the way check where Barneswood Farm is. They won the 1000 Guineas in 2011 AND 2018. They've even sponsored the race!!!! You then shoot yourself in the foot by suggesting that the Ellerslie Listed and Gr2 races should go south. Anyway there is NO new reason for the races to be shifted. You are probably too young and selfish to know that these two Guineas races were compensation for the shifting of the NZ Derby and the NZ Oaks to the North Island from Riccarton. Go ask Pike when he is completing his shift to Australia? Perhaps we should move the Derby to Rosehill or Flemington as our best 3yr olds race there and not here.

Says you who blindly supports the ruling elite and wants to see the Guineas confiscated by north.

NZTR/RITA to call on payment of their loans to clubs? E.g. RACE Inc. If they can't pay then acquire THEIR assets as per the Mesara Report.

Which explains why Pike is looking at moving to OZ.

I'd say Huey was an old school NZ trainer. Where the horse gets maybe two 4 month preps a year and the rest of the time is left in a paddock. Then they use shorter races they are not competitive in to get their horses fit enough to compete at the distance the horse is suited to. For example - first race is over 1200m, then 1400m, then 1600m. I'm not sure how the Japanese train their horses but I know the Brits never put their horses in a paddock for a rest. They are in work the entire time even if it is just walking a couple of miles each day. Then no trouble in starting out over the horses competitive distance first up. The horses here get fat and unfit eating grass and bin fed then take at least 6 weeks of slow tedious (for the horse) work to get fit enough to gallop again!

Right so INCA deliberately targeted Natalie Rasmussen for personal drug use?

So Blair is having some time out with his mates and drinking a few beers on an unlicensed property. Along come the industry police to serve one of his mates with documents. Blair lets rip with what seems to be predominantly the swear word for intercourse. Hardly at the extreme end of verbal abuse. The police are there for less than 10 minutes - not enough time to sanitise their hands and change their face masks. So the RIU lay charges against Blair. I guess the RIU have to justify the 90+ employees they have somehow. What a complete waste of time! I guess they were trying to ENFORCE respect. Respect is earnt. In the good old days the stipes would have laughed it off.