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Bit Of A Yarn Create curious Browse Competitions Clubs Forums Events Blogs Gallery Guidelines Staff Political Yarns NEW! Thoroughbreds Trots Dogs Racing News Subscriptions More This Topic Unread Content Mark site read Home Gallops Galloping Chat Riccarton-Synthetic? NOTICE TO BOAY'ers: Major Update Coming Riccarton-Synthetic? By Newmarket May 3 in Galloping Chat Newmarket Members 4k Posted May 3 How disappointing with the small fields today? Why did so many owners/ trainers scratch? Always complaining when trials or meetings don’t go ahead, yet on our back doorstep is a local meeting? Yes I know it’s not grass, but surely let’s get behind it more, who knows how the winter ahead will turn out. Just for the record, from a punters view, I don’t mind betting on it, form holds up well, and the $6 on Spartan today was great 😁 Quote Chief Stipe Administrators 482k Posted May 3 I see Tony Pike just posted this online: Tony Pike Colin Wightman ok people I don’t want nor like getting involved in these discussions. Each to their own. Synthetic tracks are now a world wide phenomenon. We came to Riccarton on Sunday with a purpose of gaining some black type at the end of her preparation. She flew down Sunday. The weather bomb arrived and she would have run on either surface. You talk about the poor horse. If the race had been run on the CP it would have been extremely testing we may have won or we may not have handled the ground? Looking at the result based on form coming in the best two horses have more than likely run one two in the race. My filly has pulled up perfectly. We use the Poly in Cambridge extensively when the weather is poor and it is a great asset. I have been in Sydney recently and they use the synthetic tracks more than the grass tracks. It is a consistent surface. Anyway you can choose whatever tracks you wish to use but please do not come in any public site and say poor horse if associated with my stable. We look after and care for our horses to the ninth degree! Murray Fish, Newmarket and Freda 3 Quote Chief Stipe Administrators 482k Posted May 3 Which was in response to this comment by Colin Wightman about Lucy In The Sky's win on the Poly. I guess Lindsay and Wightman won't be sitting together when Pivotal Ten lines up in OZ! Poor horse. Obviously the mercenary owners don’t care too much for its future. To think that some poor bugger at a horse sale in the future will be conned into buying a near relative not knowing that the black print attributed to Lucy In The Sky is Clayton’s, against a desperate field of 8 only shit track tried horses. Dark Beau, SLB2.0 and Newmarket 3 Quote Freda Members 4k Posted May 3 Yes, they do use the synthetic tracks in Sydney, but not for racing. Not to be pedantic, but just for some balance here. Special Agent 1 Quote curious Members 6k Posted May 3 And certainly not for programmed grass racing when there are perfectly safe grass tracks available. Quote billy connolly Members 363 Posted May 3 More nonsense from you, the correct decision was made to race on the Poly. As T. Pike alluded, the two best horses ran first and second in the listed race yet on a bottomless bog grass/turf track they might not have fared as well. Heavy grass/turf brings the quality horses back to the opposition, nothing (not even weight) will take the speed out of a horses legs more than heavy ground will and the race times would've been 5/10 seconds slower on heavy grass/turf. IMO Poly track form is more credible than heavy 10+ grass/turf form. Newmarket 1 Quote curious Members 6k Posted May 3 I don't disagree with any of that. Doomed 1 Quote curious Members 6k Posted May 3 Except that it was programmed as a grass meeting likely to suit horses that can only run 5-10secs slower, then changed at the last minute to no longer suit the horses prepared for it. Murray Fish, Doomed and Freda 3 Quote Newmarket Members 4k Author Posted May 4 People need to move on…. get behind the poly…. Quote Chief Stipe Administrators 482k Posted May 4 You miss the point. There is a proportion of horses that have stamina but not top line speed. Horses that don't mind slogging in the wet. Is the NZ Thoroughbred racing industry in a position to effectively write them off? As well as the tracks that support them? Quote curious Members 6k Posted May 4 I happen to race one of those which has won 3 of its last 5 starts. Saturday was the last grass staying race in the country for it until late October but it was shifted to the poly and shortened to a middle distance. Am I pissed? Yes, especially when there seemed to be no good reason from my inspection of the Riccarton grass on Friday other than it was very heavy and waterlogged. Murray Fish and Doomed 2 Quote Special Agent Members 1.3k Posted May 4 Maybe some are reserving that action until the AWT report comes out. Or is it already out? Quote Newmarket Members 4k Author Posted May 4 I get what you’re saying, but you have to be realistic. So many variants, too wet, too dry, wide draw, too short distance, too long distance, straight too short, straight to short…. and so on. One thing I will say…. if every race at the poly track at Riccarton one Saturday was worth $40k…. all of a sudden trainers would be jumping out of trees to line up. Just to add, of course I would rather watch and bet on the grass at Riccarton, that’s a given. But at the same time, I can see the benefits of racing on the poly, some horses love it, some don’t. Quote Chief Stipe Administrators 482k Posted May 4 You have my sympathy. I can't fathom the rationale of the decision on the grounds of safety. What was the point of thrashing Ashburton to save Riccarton Turf if you are not going to use it? The only reason you would transfer is if: The weather forecast was for more foul weather and the likelihood of surface water was high - which it wasn't; The track was unsafe - which no one said it was probably because it wasn't. I do find it amusing that the institutional propaganda was working over time to say how beneficial it all was on the day. Doomed 1 Quote Chief Stipe Administrators 482k Posted May 4 Why wait for the report? You realise how the problem arose in the first place don't you? The AWT customers didn't inspect the track they were using nor join together and demand maintenance occur when it should of. A bit like those moaning about the "dangerous AWT at Riccarton" on Saturday who obviously didn't bother to inspect it and see that it was in good condition. As I've said many times before Trainers are part of the problem. As an Owner representative I've tried to walk nearly every track prior to their horses racing (except those in OZ). As I did 20 years ago it still amazes me how many Trainers or Jockeys don't bother. Quote Chief Stipe Administrators 482k Posted May 4 Nope as has been proven time and time again increased Stakes doesn't correlate to increased participation. On Saturday on one race at Riccarton was less than $35k that being the Maiden race which was $20k Even @curious's horse battled her way round for $2k for running fourth. Quote Reply to this topic... Go to topic listing Unread Content Mark site read Home Gallops Galloping Chat Riccarton-Synthetic? Language Theme Privacy Policy Contact Us Cookies Copyright - Bit of a Yarn Powered by Invision Community

I wonder who would've wanted to try and remove them?

Not enough room in the sauna for many of them and quite a few already get a pension and wouldn't need the extra money.

Doesn't count for anything in my mind. Easy to up turnover if you reduce margins. Your last hope is the question. Is GBR up and if so how much? That seems to have become a big secret, at least as far as gallops go.

Pardon? Isn't it May now?

They are all mentioned in the above article??

Wow! I wonder what would happen if that became the case here?

STRATEGIES Relationship Management & Partnering Owners’ Race-day Experience. Monitoring expenses associated with racehorse ownership Relationship Management Maintain an ongoing level of engagement with all thoroughbred owners; Then, as above, they resort to labelling and name-calling owners who offer criticism they don't like, then in Neil's case anyway, choose to do the opposite of the above declared strategy.

Yes. There primary object is "(a) To promote membership of the Federation to thoroughbred racehorse owners within New Zealand.", yet less than 5% of owners are members. Did you see the president's comments on track abandonments a month or so ago? First he says "let's address the root of the problem: Track Preparation and Funding." He got that bit right. Then he says "So please, less criticism and attacking of people, which is bordering on bullying and contempt, and let's work on more collaboration within our great industry. Isn't the first bit criticism? It seems there is criticism they like and criticism that they don't, however well founded, and they wonder why they have no members. Not to say that there are not a number of people doing a lot of good work there.

I'm just letting you all know that in conversation with Leigh today, we have agreed to settle our differences and "bury the hatchet" to use his terms. Onwards and upwards.

That's common in the US.

Where are they? Stewart Island?

Managed it not bad here.

I'd say they are mostly in the paddock or getting on with new careers.

Pride Of Jenni winning the Listed MRC Anniversary Vase (1600m) at Caulfield. Photo: Bruno Cannatelli Pride Of Jenni produces another Caulfield clinic NZ Racing Desk 4 May 2025 Caulfield has been a happy hunting ground for Pride Of Jenni in recent weeks, and the reigning Australian Horse of the Year produced another spectacular front-running performance at that venue in Saturday’s A$175,000 Listed Tile Importer Anniversary Vase (1600m). The Ciaron Maher-trained Pride Of Jenni has now had 38 starts for 10 wins, 12 placings and A$10.44 million in stakes. She was a triple Group One winner in last season’s Empire Rose Stakes (1600m), Champions Mile (1600m) and Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m). The daughter of Pride Of Dubai has had some ups and downs as a seven-year-old this season, but announced her return to form with a powerhouse performance in the Gr.2 Peter Young Stakes (1800m) at Caulfield on March 15. After another blip in the Gr.1 Australian Cup (2000m) two weeks later, she headed back to Caulfield on Saturday and again demonstrated her extraordinary front-running prowess. As expected, Pride Of Jenni was sent straight to the lead by jockey Craig Newitt and dominated the race from the front. The $2.70 favourite began to pour on the pressure approaching the home turn, and she kicked away at the top of the straight. None of her seven rivals were able to make much headway down the straight as Pride Of Jenni swept to victory by two and a quarter lengths. “She’s always fun to ride,” Newitt said. “She was good in the early part of the race, but I just wanted to get to the top of the hill at the 1300m, 1400m there before I let her roll. “She knows where she is – she was trained here originally – so she got to the top of the hill and she changed stride, and then she started to string them out. “I reckon the speed we were going at the 1000m mark was the same as the speed we were going at the winning post. She never quickened any more, but she never weakened either. She just maintained her gallop, which was good. Probably the last 200m was the most impressive, because her stamina kicked in and she just kept up that good gallop.” Owner Tony Ottobre is now keen to take Pride Of Jenni to the Queensland Winter Carnival. “She’s fantastic, isn’t she,” he said. “To see a horse do what she’s just done there, it’s incredible. I’m glad that she’s back. “She’s still got a bit more condition than we’d like, so there’s more to come for the Doomben Cup (Gr.1, 2000m). We’re looking forward to that race.” Pride Of Jenni was bred by Trelawney Stud and is out of the O’Reilly mare Sancerre, who was prepared by Cambridge trainer Tony Pike to win on four occasions for the stud. The star mare stems from a family fashioned over generations at the famed Kiwi nursery, which has been in the Taylor family’s ownership since 1993, having been established by Seton Otway in the 1930s. Group Two winner Real Success, the taproot of star Trelawney Stud graduates Vouvray, Loire, A Touch Of Ruby and Pride Of Jenni and many others around them, was one of the first families the Taylors bought into upon taking ownership of Trelawney. Pride Of Jenni was sold at the Sydney Classic Sale for A$100,000 through the Segenhoe Stud draft, where she was purchased by Tony and Lynn Ottobre’s Cape Schanck Stud. Sancerre has a two-year-old filly by Per Incanto which has been retained by the Taylors named Pouilly Fume. The mare foaled a filly by Hello Youmzain last spring, which unfortunately died, but she is back in foal to the young Cambridge Stud stallion who has made a promising start with his eldest just two.

I'd have been knocking about as a late teenager then. Didn't play for Linwood though.

I happen to race one of those which has won 3 of its last 5 starts. Saturday was the last grass staying race in the country for it until late October but it was shifted to the poly and shortened to a middle distance. Am I pissed? Yes, especially when there seemed to be no good reason from my inspection of the Riccarton grass on Friday other than it was very heavy and waterlogged.

I stand corrected on how he is doing, but he definitely is.

Except that it was programmed as a grass meeting likely to suit horses that can only run 5-10secs slower, then changed at the last minute to no longer suit the horses prepared for it.

I don't disagree with any of that.

“It’s dangerous,” Chalabi was known to say from time to time, “if you believe your own propaganda.”

Now... scooby3051 Administrators 13,400 12,113 posts Report post Posted 4 hours ago Yes but he never once said who he was and he had joined to circumvent being under moderation...did he???

Yes. Seems so but at least the form is consistent. He is now going into Leggy's account and removing any emojis I post over there. scooby3051 Administrators 13,399 12,112 posts Report post Posted 4 hours ago Yes but he never once said who he was and he had joined to circumvent being under moderation...did he?? You 1