Brodie

Reality is that it all depends on how much the Bookies are winning or losing. Unless the Bookies are cleaning up then these meetings are not covering costs. The lack of place dividends being shown on Trackside is definitely going to be cisting turnover without any doubt! Its ok though they have got betting on a meeting from Turkey!

So what you are saying is you love the Ozzie Bookies?

To be fair there would appear to be very few if any races that wouldve covered the stakes paid today, unless the Bookies cleaned up on the Fixed Odds! The TAB/ Entain must be extremely worried about how things are actually going financially despite them telling us just how positive things are going! Unfortunately there appears No way on earth are they profitable at the moment unless someone in the know can tell us otherwise?

I didnt realise that the Palmy meeting has a later start so a twilight meeting. Think that is not a bad idea a Sunday twilight meeting far better than the Tuesday.

Good to see support for the slot races. Not sure the exact figure that the race is subsidised from the industry coffers, but no doubt it is not inconsequential. Does it attract new people into the industry as owners or punters, highly doubt it especially seem the race is in Cambridge where there is dwindling interest in the area. Anything that is beneficial for harness racing is great and we certainly much need it. Hopefully it will get people talking and punters offloading but wouldnt be holding my breath.

Just as I thought, no one really gives a damn about these slot races apart from the ones with horses in them and the Trackside Presenters that are being paid to be so bullish about them! Does it bring new people into racing, no it doesnt it just costs the i dustry more money that it can not afford to be blowing at the moment. Feel free to disagree

Harness lost it big time when they got rid of the Saturday night racing in NZ! They are far more likely to attract more new people on course on a Saturday night for several reasons. They reckoned that they were competing with Rugby on a Saturday night, whichnis bollacks! Rugby is not all year if they hadnt realised and if rugby has more appeal to orople then the industry is in trouble. Harness should be run on Friday and Saturday nights snd Sunday arvo if they want to keep people interested, during the week will not attract new people .

The Race By Betcha, is nearly upon us again What do harness participants really think about it and slot races? Does the trainers and owners of horses that are not in the race really give it much thought? How many people get excited about these types of races and does it actually bring enough excitement to introduce new people into racing? Is it just a transfer of funds between wealthier people rather than what it is meant to do? There are some people that love the tight class racing whether they bet or not which is interesting! Personally solely from a punters point of view, I would not be putting a brass razoo on any race such as this at Cambridge and I would highly doubt many serious punters looking to win would either! You have a field of the very best horses racing each other over sprint distances all on the job, when there is very little between them. Anyway just looking beyond the media hype to see what others thought and whether they think that the money that Entain will be putting in is money well spent? .

Great to see that the NZ TAB brought the head to heads back for harness after they pulled thrm for an extended period! HOWEVER be very careful when taking them. The TAB odds have been reduced from what they used to be. Years ago the average between the two was $1.87.5 now they seem to vary a wee bit but on average they are on average about $1.75 like $1.80 and $$1.70 so significantly less than they used to be so much more profit for theTAB and less for the punter! Secondly and more importantly. They have brought in the condition that to win the first horse home NEEDS TO FINISH IN THE FIRST FIVE!!! Now if this does not happen I would imagine they would scoop the pool and so the only winner is the TAB??? Has not happened to Brodie but I would highly doubt they would refund ? I have noticed already tonight on the 2 meetings that this has happened already at least 2 times so far! Money for jam for the TAB, do do your homework and be prepared to lose your money even though you won by besting the other horse home in the head to head!

Fixed Odds the only way to bet now with the poor tote pools. Always know what I am collecting

To be fair it was far too short and was not worth the risk as it had shown it was pretty green. Better to bet against it

Seems like a programming stuff up on the face of it! You are correct the turnover will not be any better than if there were only one or teo meetings. Palmy will continue to lose money for the industry but that is all good. Tonights meeting at Addington seems a hard one to find value?

Not sure that they want everyone betting with fixed odds? I do personally believe that Entain didnt want the NZ TAB for racing, despite what the ones that work for the TAB try to make us believe. The big amount promised McAnulty to go into racing was just a bribe and the NZ TAB and McAnulty and co. Should not have sold out for 25 years. They will continue to pump money into racing but once the promised money is done they will drop it like a lead balloon and things will be on the slide. as I have stated several times there have been so many stupid decisions made that can not give anyone confidence that we are going to be going forward in the future. The fact that they got rid of the NZ staff so quickly and employed the incompetent Racing and Sports from Australia just shows that they have not got NZ interests at heart. You do not have to believe what I say and hope that I am wrong, but prey tell why you believe that Entain are great for our racing? 2 of their seniors are either gone or going for what reason??

Whoever decided to race harness on a Tuesday should give themselves a slapping! They say that harness turnover is up but bear in mind they are giving away free money which is going to increase turnover. I hope they are doing better and getting more punters to offload as they will need it. we do not see fixed odds betting info but I highly doubt they are attracting enough new punters that make running many if any meetings in the North profitable.

Entains bonus system is just not going to work! To have a race at Addington on a Friday night with only 3 starters now is just WRONG! Unfortunately despite this increased money bring chucked into stakes and bonuses from the promised funds from Entain, things just are not improving. Do they really believe that people are going go be encouraged to breed a horse so it csn race as a 2 year old for a 4k payday? With the cost of breeding a horse and then all the other costs of everything involved in training the horse for many many months, it is just delusional to think it is enticing! The horse you bred probably owes you in the vicinity of $100k just to be in a position to race as a medium term 2 year old with a reasonable trainer, and they think 4K is a game changer?

Personally think jt is not great for promoting racing or great for the punter K Yes the owner will get appearance money but lets see if it can trot the whole way and how many horses with legitimate chances get held up behind it! it has no chance whatsoever and should be lining up against non winners and not against horses that have won 14 races! I see the dam is The Gardeners Pride who was a very long time maiden trotter still going around. Great to have enthusiast’s but surely this is taking the pxxx?

It us in the field but it is not going to attract any money whatsoever! Anyone that backs it should be mentally assessed! It is just lunacy that the Club has given it a start!!

The system needs amending when a non competitive maiden is lined up against 14 win horses! Why would the owner think this is right and it is only going to get in the way of the others that have a chance!

Addington race 4 Friday night, 2000 metre stand for $18,000 just shows how the current rating system is stupid! When a 14 win horse is programmed to race a non winner then it is high time HRNZ reconsiders the current rating system! Buffy Northstains has won 14 races and starts off the front and yet HRNZ have allowed a 9 start all unplaced maidenSenior Constable Liz, to start off the unruly?? There are also several 9 race winners also included in the field with the maiden to race against! Seriously what benefit is it for the industry to allow this maiden who is not competitive in a maiden race to be able to race at headquarters when it has no chance on earth of being g near the money?? Maidens should never be allowed to race against race winners and high time HRNZ changes the rules cos this is just a blatant farce!!!!

I originally thought Craig said that Max Hill had about half a dozen drives but thought that my hearing must be not so good! Seriously you would have to wonder what is going on when Trackside’s expert tipster can say things that are diabolically incorrect?

Addington Friday night has a two year old trot snd a two year old pace, both have firlds of only 5 horses racing for $15k! Terrible betting races not worth betting into and so turnover will be very low! Great for owners and terrible for the industry. The bonuses from Entain will have next to no benefit in increasing horse numbers racing at two! Mske hay while the sun shines as these bonuses will be gone in 3 years for ever.

Being given info a few minutes prior to the start of a race is not a lot of use, when most wouldve already had their punt. Anyway if you are a punter that keep backing the short ones then you have to take the bad with the good.

Noooo! Mile racing is not what Harness needs if it wants to progress! Nothing good at all about it.

Talk about horses coming home in 26.2 final 400metres off the front at Alexandra Park last night!! I looked at the final 800m and finsl 200metres at both Addington and Alexandra Park and those times are amazing in msny of the races compared to say even last year! They are coming home last half in 54 seconds and final 400m in 26 and change! Does anyone know what the quickest last half and quarters in NZ ever recorded? Just unbelievable how quick some go now and dont get any money. What have they chucked on these tracks to have them now being so fast??L

We all know that Craig Ferguson’s drive last night was crap for a $1.40 favourite and something shouldve been asked by the stipes. Reality is that is does happen from time to time and next week marketplace will probably come out and bolt in driven differently. If you do bet into these types of races betting on shorties you need to accept that you will not always get the result you thought! The TAB love the type of punters that put plenty on the short priced favourites as they know that they will always come out on top. The winning punters tend to go against the normal way of betting and that is why they are restricted, which to my mind is not playing fair!