Brodie

Just makes no sense to have changed the previous format that Worked! So you have these win odds up both tote and fixed and some are say at $50 to win! Punters arent going to be taking that but would be interested to see what the place are? They are going to be losing a lot of turnover over this, you watch!

Respond anywhere would be fine Ranga! Total incompetence, you watch the backlash!

They wouldnt respond Ranga! They are clueless and this is such a mistake that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! Is there a single person that can see the reason they have done this???????. Why even show Win Odds? Just bet blind!

Could someone who represents the TAB or Entain please advise us who approved this total stuff up? What is there reasoning to ditch showing what place odds are????? Entain obviously DOES NOT care about racing in NZ!!

It is a terrible decision to not be showing place odds!! Can anyone workout why on earth they would even think there is any positives to doing this??? Does the TAB expect punters who are watching Trackside to just bet without any idea of what the place odds are?? This is going go backfire on whoever approved this!

Lets hear from the TAB as to why they have decided to end showing the Place dividends? Seriously, it does look like they want to put people off wagering with them on racing! This is another stuff up which they will end up having to reverse as there is no logic to it whatsoever!

No it would end it for harness racing! How is it beneficial for anyone,? Punters arent going to bet into place, when it is a mystery as to what the place odds are unless they are on an ipad or phone? What is their reasoning, as they say they eant to provide more info for the punter, and yet they take away important info?

Great to see Trackside and Entain trying to make harness racing great again in NZ! They want to get people excited again and get then into wagering to increase turnover so that racing remains viable! SERIOUSLY, who was the DICKHEAD who came up with getting rid of showing the PLACE DIVIDENDS on the screen?????? Whoever it was must be seriously lacking any semblance of business sense, if they think that it is going to attract wagering solely on the Win!!!! All they are now showing is the FIXED WIN and TOTE WIN odds alongside each other! What an absolute balls up if they think this is going to be beneficial for wagering! Yes there is your phone or ipad or computer that will show the place odds, but seriously how could this decision be beneficial to punters and the TAB to increase turnover??? People will say give it a chance but get real, it is idiotic!

The BIG night is on Friday week at Cambridge! Yes I am sure they are chucking money into “The Race” might as well give the Corporates and ones that dont need it more! Is there a lot of excitement in the harness world???

Just read an article on HRNZ saying the fields for both “the Race” and the TAB Trot are now complete It states that the TAB Trot have been gifted $25k, that is right $25k, from the Northern Regional Programming Fund!!! I thought these races were SLOT RACES and the stake money provided by the slot holders who pay to be in the race? The race was already filled and slots paid for by the slot holders, and the slot holders were obviously happy with things! So, why on earth has the Northern Regional Programming Fund GIFTED an additional $25k to the slot holders who are corporates or groups that are financially well off? I wonder who actually authorised this as I am sure that the TAB Trot did not need any GIFT from HRNZ or clearly the North harness is in a very healthy situation? We can clearly see why the North Island racing is in the crap, when they have these crazy decisions being made!!!! The meeting is going to run at a loss anyway, and to chuck away another $25k from the coffers of HRNZ when it couldve been used far better is mind boggling!! Does anyone know who actually approved this wastage, when these Slot Races are just a transfer of wealth, and when so many others in the industry are battling??

Never been a Bookmaker, Chief and wouldnt be the first time I have been a disappointment😂. They dont need to advise everyone how much is being put into each horse on every race! would be more interesting if they advised us how much in total they were accepting on fixed odds betting each meeting! Does anyone that has bet on the tote give a rats as to how much is in the tote pools? Showing how little is in the tote pools is actually showing the decline in tote beting, and is that beneficial to anyone?

So why do they post what the tote pools are on Trackside? All they are now showing is that interest is significantly dropping off on tote wagering! If it continues the way it currently is, there is going to be very few betting on the tote, as the pool wont be able to sustain any semi reasonable wager? personally I can not see why they need to hide the amount being wagered on Fixed Odds, it could well be a positive for the TAB if it show significant growth! The odds are always in the TAB’s favour with the % they offer and therefore they need to be acting in good faith by accepting all punters wagers to an acceptable level!!

I wouldnt need to know that, but supposedly the $ are going on fixed odds instead of the tote! If we knew the fixed odds amounts being wagered we would be able to judge if this is the case.

Ok one punter that has the odds slashed!

So letting only one punter on at the opening fixed price is a good business decision? Hardly encouraging wagering.

It wouldn’t change any assessment but it would show how much interest there is on the race and meeting!

I have no idea whatsoever why punters bother betting on the tote? Why are we not being shown exactly how much the Bookies have actually taken on fixed odds book? I personally do not give a toss about how much is in the tote pools! Does anyone actually need to see the tote only betting pools, give us both! If there is plenty of $ actually being offloaded into the Fixed Odds Books, then that should mean that the Bookies shouldnt be needing to placing restrictions on punters! When they slash the odds on a horse 3 times after a bet, all it is doing is stopping anyone else wagering on that horse, as the odds are then unders!

Punters may well look for value in the tote prices. However, if there is buggerall in the tote pools and someone has a semi decent wager it will kill the tote dividend! Have seen many times this last week of tote win and place pools of 3k each! Surely this is showing that the punters are just not bothering now? Races with this amount of tote wagering on win and place just has to be losing money without knowing how much is in The fixed odds book? I watch the Fixed Odds movements and there is not many punters offloading decent amounts or being allowed to offload big amounts. TAB needs to lift the shackles and encourage punters to have a go!!

There just has to be a reduction of money coming from Oz now! The tote pools are absolutely pathetic on most races now to what they used to be! The smaller the pool the less you are going to be able to retain the tote punters! I also do not believe that there are many big punters on harness still, going by the shift in fixed odds prices! This is a huge problem for the TAB as they need to retain and encourage big wagers! The TAB is far too risk averse to stem the decline going by their current policy!

Just watched the 1984 Derby won by Naval,Officer. The 5 outsiders were the only ones left in the race. The size of the crowd was amazing, grandstand and asphalt area was just chocker, so just shows how much the industry has declined unfortunately. That was back in 1984, and they left the race continue even though there were horses sprawled at the winning post and a loose horse in the field! If this happened again, there is no way on earth they would allow the race to have continued, it wouldve been pulled up! How things have changed!!

Looking at the tote pools today at a Premier meeting at Addington! not sure how much is being wagered on the Fixed Odds but the tote pools are patheticly low and will be a loss for the Club by the look of it? The meeting needs to revert back to a night meeting to increase turnover and patronage on course!!

I believe that they have not won many fans with some if their decisions! They needed to retain the existing client base and attract new punters! This is achieved by having existing clients bringing in new clients for them by keeping them happy, rather than isolating them! To treat some of their clients unfairly and not not equally with others, is one way of causing business to be lost! Reality is that the chickens are coming home to roost unfortunately. Their business model policy of relying on increasing yield rather than increasing turnover is flawed, but not everyone will agree with me!

Restricted earlier 😂

Not sure that they can screw restricted punters anymore than they currently are? The fact that they bring the Fixed Odds out earlier is a positive! The power plays and Top 4 need to be given Option no.s so that you can bet into them away from your account. tote turnovers are so poor now on many and not sure why people bother betting on the tote?

No, especially not the dogs! Ozzie obviously hasnt got the same requirement in their racing act that they can not race on Good Friday! Why are they racing during the day at Addington? Surely be more on course and better turnover at night?