TAB For Ever Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 21 hours ago, Wingman said: There were quite a few jockeys walking the track on raceday at Trentham yesterday. You, that is you TAB for ever, are quick to say 'move on' and slow to rebut decent, genuine arguments. This is a site to put forward thoughts, yes some may be dissed but overall a site that can do without your continuous sarcastic replies to those that you consider wrong to your train of thought. I appreciate your offer of advice and especially letting us know you attended Oaks day. Can you tell us how many jockeys you saw walking the track and what technique did they use. Did they check the whole width of the track or just the inside half ? Did they have a prodder or stick with them ? What time did they walk it ,was it during races etc. Or was it early with Stipe etc? And crucially how far did they walk.....the straight [400m] .Around to the 1400m , or right around the entire circumference.? This crucial to know. The Chief may be on to something and I may look at taking it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 33 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: I appreciate your offer of advice and especially letting us know you attended Oaks day. Can you tell us how many jockeys you saw walking the track and what technique did they use. Did they check the whole width of the track or just the inside half ? Did they have a prodder or stick with them ? What time did they walk it ,was it during races etc. Or was it early with Stipe etc? And crucially how far did they walk.....the straight [400m] .Around to the 1400m , or right around the entire circumference.? This crucial to know. The Chief may be on to something and I may look at taking it up. What did you instruct the people you told us you paid to do it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 27 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: And crucially how far did they walk.....the straight [400m] .Around to the 1400m , or right around the entire circumference.? This crucial to know. often the jocks pop out and have a look on the 'Fast' Aus tracks too TABman . I'm pretty sure they're looking for the Fast-lane up the home straight. tiz all. like is it better to come at em' 6m out or 10 m out , or just stick to the fence sort of thing ....🏇🏇💰 Funny true story. We have little problem at the trots with the surface but in my days training, I was at Albion Park every day training horses on the main track , and mentioned to the track staff one day, that I though the camber flattened a little just at the 400m when you were trying to wind your horse up a bit...... and next second the Fricken Big grader was out there and 'getting the banking' going lol. thought I was at Daytona Speedway on the Saturday night !! lol 😅. (but not winning still 😪) Jimmy Johnson or Earnhardt still getting the money lol 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 45 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Did they have a prodder or stick with them ? What time did they walk it ,was it during races etc. Or was it early with Stipe etc? Have you ever seen the stipes walking it, let alone with a going stick? Or just racing around in a car? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What did you instruct the people you told us you paid to do it? I refer to Jockeys and Trainers Chief so no points to be scored on this topic ! Many of the horses I been involved in have had particular likes and dislikes so I can tell a few yarns about the topic. A few years back we had a good horse who liked it firm[ not shifty or wet] but the Premiership winning trainer from Waikato wanted it not too firm. When he heard I was flying up to watch horse race from South he asked me if I would drive out to Avondale and assess how the track was because the communication re irrigation wasn't crash hot and he needed to make a decision on start. I drove out the day before in afternoon and sure enough the track had been nicely irrigated. I walked part of the track...not the full monty like you might....informed the trainer and he started horse and it won nicely. That horse was a day to day proposition ,the trainer studied every track he trained on etc and ...if I may brag....it won a NZ Group 1 race ! So trainers are paid ,jockeys are paid ,employees are paid and after they began racing at Riccarton one day with cones across Track I believe the stipes too get out early on raceday .A lot of protocols now in place for raceday.I'd expect you know all that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 You may brag. Having a genuine contender in a G1 is what we all strive for, winning is what most of us only dream about..congrats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 16 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: So trainers are paid ,jockeys are paid ,employees are paid and after they began racing at Riccarton one day with cones across Track I believe the stipes too get out early on raceday .A lot of protocols now in place for raceday.I'd expect you know all that. So you didn't pay directly but presumably as a stakeholder. What performance metrics did you have in place that all those you "paid to walk the track" did and to your level of expectation? Did you ask them the questions you raised above? For example it would appear that most Stewards don't walk the track before hand and then rely on the advice of the Jockeys. Is that satisfactory? Are regular inspections of tracks carried out during the season by the national track manager? For example how did the current situation at Te Aroha arise? Were instructions given? Were they not followed? At the end of the day there is only one job for clubs and the central administration - provide a safe and fair track for horses to compete on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 minutes ago, Wingman said: You may brag. Having a genuine contender in a G1 is what we all strive for, winning is what most of us only dream about..congrats I had probably walked the course the day it broke down. One of the problem tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 And I am keen to know what is really going on at Te Aroha as it was by far my favourite track for a decent and often successful, punt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, Wingman said: And I am keen to know what is really going on at Te Aroha as it was by far my favourite track for a decent and often successful, punt. There is speculation on another channel that the problem is caused by grass grub. However I thought I read somewhere that the problem was the turf became diseased and became patchy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: There is speculation on another channel that the problem is caused by grass grub. However I thought I read somewhere that the problem was the turf became diseased and became patchy. Wouldn't grass grub amount to the same thing as diseased turf? Edited March 18 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I'm a bit behind things wrt Te Aroha...but hadn't it recently had some remedial work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 re track conditions, I do recall, pre watering (<-overwatering) the tracks days, about a hour before the first, a couple of stipes would wonder out onto the track by the winning post and kick the ground a few times.... Talking trainers and getting true track conditions, Mr Eales was rather big on knowing that sort of thing, some amusing stories could be told... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 6 hours ago, curious said: Wouldn't grass grub amount to the same thing as diseased turf? Technically yes as diseased turf is the result of the impact of a pathogen. I might be wrong but I thought I read the pathogen was a virus not an insect. If it was grass grub it would have been very easy to get rid of. A virus not easy at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 hours ago, Freda said: I'm a bit behind things wrt Te Aroha...but hadn't it recently had some remedial work? Is it did and the track was out of action for some time causing some financial stress for the club. They raced on it at its summer meeting but the current issue is with the new grass growth being affected by a pathogen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 11/03/2024 at 7:47 PM, Special Agent said: You have a lot to say for someone who admits they know nothing. Oh dear, the know-all (Special Agent) is now calling TAB For Ever, who's raced a Group 1 winner together with other successful horses a know-all, FFS. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 minutes ago, billy connolly said: Oh dear, the know-all (Special Agent) is now calling TAB For Ever, who's raced a Group 1 winner together with other successful horses a know-all, FFS. Big difference between owning them and training them. Owners aren't normally out of bed until 4 hours after their Trainers and in @TAB For Ever's words they pay others to walk the track. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Big difference between owning them and training them. Absolutely there is, the woman who posts here as Freda (and elsewhere as Pam Robson) isn't ever likely to train a Group 1 winner. I have respect for anyone who has achieved at the top level in this game. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 19 minutes ago, billy connolly said: Absolutely there is, the woman who posts here as Freda (and elsewhere as Pam Robson) isn't ever likely to train a Group 1 winner. I have respect for anyone who has achieved at the top level in this game. These personal attacks on Freda are becoming very tiresome. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Cyril said: These personal attacks on Freda are becoming very tiresome. They sure are, and quite vicious. It seems you are a know-all too if you don't share the same opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Billy C and T4E are fuckwit gold medalists, fuckwitsm is the growth dynamic of this century, those two are over achievers. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 5 hours ago, billy connolly said: Oh dear, the know-all (Special Agent) is now calling TAB For Ever, who's raced a Group 1 winner together with other successful horses a know-all, FFS. Racing a G1 winner and knowing anything about racing don't go hand in hand , means FA , I have met plenty of people who have raced top quality horses and knew nothing about racing , most have been honest enough to put their hands up to it as well . Some con their way through , some like TAB4E , aka Tasman Man , are nothing more than condescending know all pricks who enjoy spouting off whilst politely belittling others . I wonder if he is still putting on his trousers backwards . These self professed Pariahs all have some lunatic fringe followers , seems billy connolly is his . Billy Connolly the sycophant that seems to know enough that he can belittle a hard working trainer who gives her all to the industry , Pam has probably forgotten more than he's ever known about horses and the industry in general , so he can piss off and get a life . Whilst I'm on it why does he use the moniker of billy connolly , he's never remotely funny enough to use the great mans name , the grub , the real BC's shite has more humour than he does . 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 28 minutes ago, nomates said: Racing a G1 winner and knowing anything about racing don't go hand in hand , means FA , I have met plenty of people who have raced top quality horses and knew nothing about racing , most have been honest enough to put their hands up to it as well . Some con their way through , some like TAB4E , aka Tasman Man , are nothing more than condescending know all pricks who enjoy spouting off whilst politely belittling others . I wonder if he is still putting on his trousers backwards . These self professed Pariahs all have some lunatic fringe followers , seems billy connolly is his . Billy Connolly the sycophant that seems to know enough that he can belittle a hard working trainer who gives her all to the industry , Pam has probably forgotten more than he's ever known about horses and the industry in general , so he can piss off and get a life . Whilst I'm on it why does he use the moniker of billy connolly , he's never remotely funny enough to use the great mans name , the grub , the real BC's shite has more humour than he does . Gee thats very strong words nomates. Grubs,pricks,pariahs ,sycophants !Wow! I actually been in a few syndicates with Tman and he puts in the $$ often and gets little back. Went to the Melbourne Cup in the same tour with him one year and he seemed quite normal back then. Maybe he fallen on tough times. May have lost a few shirts as well as trousers. You sound like quite the expert on most racing matters yourself. Why is your moniker nomates ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 21 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Why is your moniker nomates ? Because I don't put up with belittling know all twats like yourself . 23 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Gee thats very strong words nomates. Grubs,pricks,pariahs ,sycophants !Wow! !Wow! ,,,,, I'm sure your not that much of a wall flower that those words alarm you . You can add twats to that list now . 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 9 hours ago, billy connolly said: Absolutely there is, the woman who posts here as Freda (and elsewhere as Pam Robson) isn't ever likely to train a Group 1 winner. I have respect for anyone who has achieved at the top level in this game. So only those who have trained a Group 1 winner are entitled to an opinion? You will be quite happy with the way Racing is going at the moment then as it seems to be those Group 1 types that are calling the shots? Millions poured into stakes, but fields down in both quality and quantity. Turnovers down. Attendances down. Several major tracks closed for "maintenance". Racemeetings abandoned on a regular basis part way through the card. Not enough usable tracks left to conduct grass track trials meetings. $50m spent on three white elephants. NZTR so incompetent they are now bypassed by a betting agency when it comes to decision making. A couple of NZ Group 1 winners unable to keep up in an Aussie race that isn't even a Group 1 race. The Group 1 types don't seem to be going too well so far. Perhaps the grass roots types might have something to offer after-all. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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