Rangatira Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 out of cup with foot abscess mark to drive cruz bromac Quote
Brodie Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 More money down the drain if you bet early on the Fixed. Chicago Bull now Ultimate Machete! Why would you bother. Was Monbet in the mRket for the Dominion? 3 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 50 minutes ago, Brodie said: Was Monbet in the mRket for the Dominion? I believe so but somebody would have to confirm. I even thought it was at 3s or something silly like that but I maybe dreaming. Quote
Newmarket Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: More money down the drain if you bet early on the Fixed. Chicago Bull now Ultimate Machete! Why would you bother. Was Monbet in the mRket for the Dominion? Think he was fav Quote
globederby12 Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 Well that opens it up somewhat. Both of my early picks are toast, a real; shame about Chicago Bull. Quote
LongOwner Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 Nomination fees mean the true racing follower has again missed out because the early nominations means the likes of Spakem didn’t nominate - on his Kaikoura run and run before he would of been really competitive and added quality to a now average field . There maybe more out there or sitting in Aussie like Spakem - especially with the defections - but the public will be left with a field with no depth or poor lead up form. Nomination fees kill a chance of a Spakem making the field and rob the classic race of a late bloomer not getting a chance to run . The big negative they do allow horses a start who have not deserved it ! To make it worst they steal the dumb punters early money with scratchinga every year with no refund - a good way to sour the harness punter and send his $ somewhere else . 4 Quote
Brodie Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 You would be a major mug punter betting so early into markets. There obviously are punters that do offload but doubt there is any value around. The Jewels Odds are brought out too early and the AllStars horses are always too short to offload! 3 Quote
Portfolio Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 I have learnt, i never bet futures, lost plenty over the years. 1 Quote
LongOwner Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Portfolio said: I have learnt, i never bet futures, lost plenty over the years. Why do the TAB and the Club promote them then - all they do is make a mockery of the field - pay up and you are in the field - and robbing the punter which racing survives on . Far to early market & nominations - creed which makes every sale of every horse ( cup class down to plonder ) look like a Christian charity with an excellent cause - so the fields get smaller and weaker . Hope after the shambles of the last 2-3 years they review the rubbish. Club and TAB ruining what was a great race . Nominations and horse grading would suggest a field of no more than 12 should get a start -and that’s a stretch - I would say less . But people have paid $$$ so will get a non deserved start and bugger the race - Dream About Me chopped at the start last year - by a low ranked horse ! But lesson was not learnt . Edited November 6, 2018 by LongOwner Quote
Shad Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Fools and their money are soon parted, tote odds on the day are better sometimes. 1 Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Why do the TAB and the Club promote them then - all they do is make a mockery of the field - pay up and you are in the field - and robbing the punter which racing survives on . Far to early market & nominations - creed which makes every sale of every horse ( cup class down to plonder ) look like a Christian charity with an excellent cause - so the fields get smaller and weaker . Hope after the shambles of the last 2-3 years they review the rubbish. Club and TAB ruining what was a great race . Nominations and horse grading would suggest a field of no more than 12 should get a start -and that’s a stretch - I would say less . But people have paid $$$ so will get a non deserved start and bugger the race - Dream About Me chopped at the start last year - by a low ranked horse ! But lesson was not learnt . I agree long owner, there used to be a decent standard you had to meet before being a cup horse, that is now totally devalued.....On the other hand we would be lucky to have a field of 5 or 6 starting this year if that standard was still applied, what a shame our biggest race has come to this. 1 Quote
LongOwner Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, Shad said: Fools and their money are soon parted, tote odds on the day are better sometimes. That doesn’t make the present cup process the right way to manage the sports previous Everest for Australsia - now the miracle mile in my opinion is the Everest as you have to be asked or qualify so best v’s the best . 1 1 Quote
hunterthepunter Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Newmarket said: Gonna be interesting cup be great to see a horse like lochaburn win the cup for small owner trainer last start looked like he was coming into some form 1 Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 58 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: be great to see a horse like lochaburn win the cup for small owner trainer last start looked like he was coming into some form It would be nice a, good reward for perseverance and one for the forgotten Heroes of the sport 1 Quote
Newmarket Posted November 7, 2018 Posted November 7, 2018 10 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: be great to see a horse like lochaburn win the cup for small owner trainer last start looked like he was coming into some form Gee, that would be huge upset. Cant see it paying a div. I see on Box Seat tonight, Ultimate Mach may start in junior free for all if connections happy?? If he wins that, it will piss off those that backed him in cup fixedd odds 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted November 7, 2018 Posted November 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Newmarket said: I see on Box Seat tonight, Ultimate Mach may start in junior free for all if connections happy?? If he wins that, it will piss off those that backed him in cup fixedd odds Could Ultimate Machete end up in the inter-dominions? 1 Quote
Newmarket Posted November 8, 2018 Posted November 8, 2018 16 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Could Ultimate Machete end up in the inter-dominions? Could be right Quote
Basil Posted November 8, 2018 Posted November 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Newmarket said: Could be right Unlikely, since he's not nominated. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted November 8, 2018 Posted November 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Basil said: Unlikely, since he's not nominated. Unless, you have a bit of cash lying around and are brave. Quote
Basil Posted November 8, 2018 Posted November 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: Unless, you have a bit of cash lying around and are brave. Ah, so late nominations are still possible (I mistakenly thought the cutoff was 1 Nov). Although, as you point out, requiring a decent chunk of change. Still, not an unreasonable amount given that the final is worth $500,000. The $64K (or in this case $20K) question is whether a restored-to-health UM is going well enough to justify laying out the dosh. 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted November 8, 2018 Posted November 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Basil said: The $64K (or in this case $20K) question is whether a restored-to-health UM is going well enough to justify laying out the dosh. Would you? Quote
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