Brodie Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I note that the winning driver of the NZ Cup today cheated by hitting the winning horse more times than permitted. She has been suspended as well as a $2,500 fine!!! This is certainly not the first time this repeat offender has been found guilty in races. The horse gained an advantage over the other horses and so should’ve been an enquire, and Tiger Tara promoted! This is not a good look for harness racing and I doubt that many would think that it is a fair rule, the way it is at the moment!! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, Brodie said: She has been suspended as well as a $2,500 fine!!! Chump change to them. Shouldn't be allowed to drive on Friday. Next time, she needs to go for a month or two to show they are serious about animal welfare. Starting to get all a bit hollow otherwise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: I note that the winning driver of the NZ Cup today cheated by hitting the winning horse more times than permitted. is this that stupid whip rule you have bought up many times in the past 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 It is and administered by the same body who shift dead body’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Looks bad when both drivers of the first and second horse in the race were fined for the same thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 hours ago, BitofaLegend said: Looks bad when both drivers of the first and second horse in the race were fined for the same thing. It actually brings attention to the issue when otherwise nobody would even bat an eyelid. Luckily no journalist is perceptive or interested enough in writing a story about excessive use of the whip to follow up the Melbourne Cup death. One could even bring up Kerryn Manning's bashing a few years ago. The story would get traction but as I say, no one cares enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Brodie said: I note that the winning driver of the NZ Cup today cheated by hitting the winning horse more times than permitted. She has been suspended as well as a $2,500 fine!!! This is certainly not the first time this repeat offender has been found guilty in races. The horse gained an advantage over the other horses and so should’ve been an enquire, and Tiger Tara promoted! This is not a good look for harness racing and I doubt that many would think that it is a fair rule, the way it is at the moment!! No, using your logic both The Fixer and Tiger Tara should have been relegated as both Natalie Rasmussen and McCarthy were fined for excessive of the whip. Using your logic, Dream About Me, is the winner of the Cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 59 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: No, using your logic both The Fixer and Tiger Tara should have been relegated as both Natalie Rasmussen and McCarthy were fined for excessive of the whip. Using your logic, Dream About Me, is the winner of the Cup? Does hitting a horse with whip mke it go faster? There could be the answer to your question. If yes, then maybe they should be put out as the whip is a performance enhancer. No different to anything else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counter Punch Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 A rugby player can gouge someone in the eye - therefore breaking the rules of the game, but his team can still go onto win. If the incident is unseen at the time of offending, that player is often put in front of the judiciary and then suspended, or in some cases fined as happens in the NRL. If they then repeat the offence in the future, they face a much more significant punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 is brodie not going into bat for nat cos she is a girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counter Punch Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 The rule is rat shit. But be careful - it is no longer excessive use of the whip, remember. It is using the whip more times than permitted. Hit the shaft 11-times and you'll be done. Club the horse nine times leaving welt marks and you'll escape the wrath of the RIU and JCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 OMG, I agree with Brodie! (although I'm a bit surprised to learn he agrees with himself on this one...) The only way to eliminate this kind of behaviour is to take away the incentive to engage in it, which means relegating any drivers (and the corresponding horses) found guilty of excessive whip use cheating. Mix it with a version of the lapped-on rule and yesterday's Cup placings would and should have been: 1st Dream About Me, 2nd Thefixer, 3rd Tiger Tara. And my bank balance would be considerably larger.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Counter Punch said: A rugby player can gouge someone in the eye - therefore breaking the rules of the game, but his team can still go onto win. If the incident is unseen at the time of offending, that player is often put in front of the judiciary and then suspended, or in some cases fined as happens in the NRL. If they then repeat the offence in the future, they face a much more significant punishment. And Natalie Rasmussen who is a serial offender at the top of the pile still gets to drive on Friday. 3 days off from the end of racing on Friday to the 30th so she misses Geraldine, Banks Peninsula and Forbury. Now that is funny. I am actually chuckling to myself. Where is the punishment? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 Basil, reality is that Brodie is always on the money with whatever he states they call him the voice of reason! Rules are nil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: One could even bring up Kerryn Manning's bashing a few years ago. The story would get traction but as I say, no one cares enough. Or Ricky May's thrashing of Inky Lord when he won - the replay shown yesterday was a real example of excessive whip use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Counter Punch said: The rule is rat shit. What is the purpose of the rule? A mild welfare measure designed to protect horses only, with no material effect on the outcome of races? Aimed at the drivers actions only? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counter Punch Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Purpose of the rule - a wolf in sheep skin, really. A prime opportunity to gather revenue while masquerading as doing the right thing to keep the animal activists at arm's length. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 13 hours ago, Brodie said: The horse gained an advantage over the other horses and so should’ve been an enquire, and Tiger Tara promoted! not on the money there champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 58 minutes ago, Counter Punch said: Purpose of the rule - a wolf in sheep skin, really. A prime opportunity to gather revenue while masquerading as doing the right thing to keep the animal activists at arm's length. Where does the money go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counter Punch Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Money received from fines is placed into the general HRNZ allocation pool and used to distribute funds within the industry. I think that's right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rangatira said: not on the money there champ 14 hours ago, Brodie said: The horse gained an advantage over the other horses and so should’ve been an enquire, and Tiger Tara promoted! But Brodie's point is valid. If this is merely a rule designed to protect the welfare of the horse so they are not hit more than 10 times, then the question has to be asked, does hitting a horse make it run faster at the end of the race? If they are mutually exclusive then the rule is fine but if a horse does indeed run faster (I presume that is why driver's hit their horse at the end of the race) then the penalties must be higher on the driver. It would be infuriating if a horse lost a race because the driver hit a horse 11 times. It would also mean each race's place getters would have to be checked before divvies are paid (imagine that) or else there would protests and uproar from everyone if they got it wrong. I think this is a driver issue and they should be fined a percentage of the stake rated on the number of times they have been found guilty. Natalie R should not be driving Friday and she should be fined 10% of the Cup Stake for being a serial offender and gaining an unfair advantage over other runners.....as an example! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Counter Punch said: used to distribute funds within the industry Kids Kartz? Horse rehabilitation? Stipe's salaries? Stipe's coffee fund? May I recommend money goes into a 'Starters Refreshment Course' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Does hitting a horse with whip mke it go faster? There could be the answer to your question. If yes, then maybe they should be put out as the whip is a performance enhancer. No different to anything else. I don't know... you would need to ask the horse. I guess some horses go faster, others resent being hit. Now getting back to the question... You are like the Brodie, never answer a question, when you are backed into a corner and wrong, which is often. Brodie claimed that The Fixer should have been disqualified because Natalie Rasmussen was charged with excessive whip use and that Tiger Tara should have been promoted to winner. I pointed out that McCarthy the driver of Tiger Tara was also charged with excessive whip use. If The Fixer ought to be relegated according to Brodie, then so should Tiger Tara for the same offence. That would make the third horse the Cup winner. Personally, I would ban whips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: I don't know... you would need to ask the horse. I guess some horses go faster, others resent being hit. Now getting back to the question... You are like the Brodie, never answer a question, when you are backed into a corner and wrong, which is often. Brodie claimed that The Fixer should have been disqualified because Natalie Rasmussen was charged with excessive whip use and that Tiger Tara should have been promoted to winner. I pointed out that McCarthy the driver of Tiger Tara was also charged with excessive whip use. If The Fixer ought to be relegated according to Brodie, then so should Tiger Tara for the same offence. That would make the third horse the Cup winner. Personally, I would ban whips. Brodie always answers questions! What questions have I not answered before? Either do away with the stupid rule or make it fair!,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Brodie always answers questions! What questions have I not answered before? Either do away with the stupid rule or make it fair!,, has been on the money occasionally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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