Brodie Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) Pathetic performance by Chief Stipe Nick Ydgren at Auckland tonight! Mr Yips retained his first placing after going inside the marker pegs for at least 3 marker pegs and took another horses position! Anyone that defends this decision from the Stipes in Auckland need counselling! No, didn’t back anything, but a vote of no confidence in Ydgren is a must after that decision!!!! Did the Stipes know people who backed the horse?? Edited December 14, 2018 by Brodie 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Bullshit decision - breached the push out rule when he forced his way back onto the track .... About Turn pushed 3 wide yet apparently Mr Yips didn't gain an advantage - load of crap! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Hard to work out. So the rule is the horse must gain an advantage they say. My question is how a horse leading can go inside the track and then come back onto the track and push its way into the trail? Mama Knows Best was in the trail and then after Mr Yips comes back onto the track it is sitting parked! What a load of shit. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 The Racing Integrity Unit is a load of bollocks!! How on earth can you have any confidence that there is integrity with shite decisions coming from the top. Why don’t horses take a sjlrtcut across the middle of the track, you could say it wasn’t gaining an advantage. RIU your decision making is farcical too often for anyone to have confidence in you! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Um did you expect QUALITY policing from the RIU Harness stipes? When the Chief stipe Ydgren tells Guerin on The Box seat: "That it doesn't matter if some horses walk up or some horses stand still because what matters is all runners get away without breaking". He should just apply to change the Stand start to a Circus start. No wonder punters are deserting the Harness code in droves! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Brodie said: RIU your decision making is farcical too often for anyone to have confidence in you! They have no idea and display no common sense. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) I know I probably shouldn’t say it, but I think I have to!! I believe that several of the Stipes In NZ are ex horsemen who could not make a go of a career in training or driving! So because of that Harness NZ has given them positions as stipendiary stewards, and after decisions like this tonight, some have failed at this as well! Whoever was the Stipes at Auckland tonight and made the decision to not disqualify Mr Yips should hang their heads in shame. Dont want to hear that they only followed the rules, which is absolute BS! That horse gained a damned advantage and if they couldn’t see this they shouldn’t be in the job!! Even Mickey Guerin and Whale beleived it was a bit of a no brainer that it had to go out! Auckland Stipes you showed the no brainer tonight with your decision! Edited December 14, 2018 by Brodie 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) I don't normally get involved in this sort of stuff,but after what happened tonight it's pretty tough not to get involved.Unreal decision to not relegate the winner when it clearly had an advantage by being able to slot back into the trailing spot it had before it went walk about.And then of course there is the matter of it forcing horses wider onto the track so that it could get back into said position.And why not have a rule that says if a horse goes down inside the markers then that horse should be taken out of the race?.I only say that because if we still had the firm running rails in place then he would of gone over the top of it and would of been out of the race...i guess there are many scenarios as to why that probably isn't in the rules..but the rules they have now basically don't mean anything so lets make some up. Edited December 14, 2018 by Mardy 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Brodie said: Dont want to hear that they only followed the rules, which is absolute BS! It defies logic that it didn't get put straight out. Then add in the fact it won by such a short margin! The whole system is a farce. The rules in general are ridiculous. You can't get put out unless you near enough commit murder on the racetrack. The rules seem to be based around getting the quickest result so the races run on time. The only rules they are interested in are horses breaking for too long and excessive use. And of course minor horsemen or amateurs who will be gallowed for sneezing. When did the rule change anyway? They used to go about horses going under the marker pegs so who was responsible for the change and WHY! This is the biggest crock of shit I have seen for a long time. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 No doubt we will get Ydgren on TV with his condescending voice trying to explain to the uneducated why the horse wasn’t disqualified! The horse didn’t receive any advantage and Mr Herlihy took all efforts blah blah blah!!!! Mr Ydgren you effed up majorly and we know you will never apologise because the Stipes never do and yet they display no commonsense or fairness in many cases! I could name many cases where they have got things so wrong! Just as well they aren’t in our justice system or murderers would walk free!!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 that horse should have gone the two stipes up there are ex Canterbury nillers so nick would be right at home with them 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Didn't gain an advantage? 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Brando said: When the Chief stipe Ydgren tells Guerin on The Box seat: "That it doesn't matter if some horses walk up or some horses stand still because what matters is all runners get away without breaking". He should just apply to change the Stand start to a Circus start. When did he say that? That is not true is it? Can't be. That is insane too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Brodie said: No doubt we will get Ydgren on TV with his condescending voice trying to explain to the uneducated why the horse wasn’t disqualified! The horse didn’t receive any advantage and Mr Herlihy took all efforts blah blah blah!!!! Mr Ydgren you effed up majorly and we know you will never apologise because the Stipes never do and yet they display no commonsense or fairness in many cases! I could name many cases where they have got things so wrong! Just as well they aren’t in our justice system or murderers would walk free!!!! is ross Neal still the main boss of Riu?? he a bloody crook 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 In among all of this crap, can I ask how the punters of Mama Knows Best feel? If the stipes are going to make such a singular decision based on the 'advantage' rule for one runner then surely one must take into account the 'disadvantage' consequences for other runners. Why is it about one runner when the horse running off affected definitely one, if not two runners at their disadvantage? It just doesn't seem to matter anymore does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Before we all get carried away I think we may need to read the stipes report and jca decision. Its the jca decision who makes these decisions based on the evidence presented. It is they who may well be incompetent here. As an aside. Was that not one of the most dangerous pieces of driving seen for a long time,showing a total lack of regard for the safety of other drivers and horses. If such driving is not punished then it sets a shocking precedent. Will have to wait and see the stipes report. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: When did he say that? That is not true is it? Can't be. That is insane too. The Box Seat episode after the NZ Cup stand start fiasco. I haven't had a bet on a NZ harness race since the Chief Stipe said that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) Are the RIU going to check the stipes at Auckland for betting irregularities or bets they may have had family, friends or associates place? Tonight's decision is so appalling it deserves scrutiny! Or does Joe pubic have to make a complaint to Police for match fixing cause the decision does equate to Match Fixing! Edited December 14, 2018 by Brando 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said: is ross Neal still the main boss of Riu?? he a bloody crook No he is in Aussie now but still in a similar job over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, the galah said: Before we all get carried away I think we may need to read the stipes report and jca decision. Its the jca decision who makes these decisions based on the evidence presented. It is they who may well be incompetent here. As an aside. Was that not one of the most dangerous pieces of driving seen for a long time,showing a total lack of regard for the safety of other drivers and horses. If such driving is not punished then it sets a shocking precedent. Will have to wait and see the stipes report. If the stipes don't lay a charge it wouldn't get to the jca. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I punted Mama Knows Best in that race. I think i should have been refunded my money. They do refund if horse didnt get fair start, so why not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Brando said: Are the RIU going to check the stipes at Auckland for betting irregularities or bets they may have had family, friends or associates place? Tonight's decision is so appalling it deserves scrutiny! Or does Joe pubic have to make a complaint to Police for match fixing cause the decision does equate to Match Fixing! Amen to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Newmarket said: I punted Mama Knows Best in that race. I think i should have been refunded my money. They do refund if horse didnt get fair start, so why not? 5 odd lengths from the winner when it gets screwed in the running. If it had stayed in the trail it would have placed? Most likely. Robbed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Owners, trainer and punters of mamma knows best all got robbed. Disgrace 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 The joke continues So Herlihy 'had sufficient room to re-enter the track when he did so due to the field being positioned wider on track' OK. Yet, Mama KB is 'inconvenienced near the 1500m having to shift wider' Why did she have to shift wider?? Come on Mr Stipe, answer the question. Are you lot that thick you don't get the connection? These people have no idea and just preen around in their fancy suits and shiny sunglasses doing sweet nothing. Brando is right, borderline dodgy decision that should be fully reviewed. Screw the review. Sack the lot of them now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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