globederby12 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Brodie said: d I can tell you now, there would be extremely small no. Of owners that get within cooee of breaking even racing Another sweeping generalization, without any real data to back it up. Geeze you are full of it tonight. I dont know why we bother. Not thinking of going back to Racecafe at all .?Just asking.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 new market could any one beat lance Armstrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nowornever said: 2018 7 starters 2017 7 starters 2016 9 starters 2015 7 starters 2014 5 starters (No All stars runners) Great research! Race needs canning, just shows us how few good horses there are in the North Island! The club is being very remiss in not changing the time of the year or just get rid of it!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Go back years when Barry Purdon dominated each year, and several others had stints being top trainer, Wolfenden etc. How come we had plenty of horses, owners etc? Yes, it is expensive owning a horse, but all the drug and race fixing allegations would put people off racing far more that a stable that dominates, and wins with about a third of its race starts. Not existing owners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, globederby12 said: Another sweeping generalization, without any real data to back it up. Geeze you are full of it tonight. I dont know why we bother. Not thinking of going back to Racecafe at all .?Just asking.. So you know owners outside of the AllStars Stable that are making money on racing horses Globe. it is a pretty well known fact that you are lucky if you can break even!!!! Full Of It? Yes of course I am, because I am always confident in what I say! You do not have to agree with Brodie, but as you know xxxxxxxxxxxx. Geez if everyone on here agreed with me, it would be pretty boring even though I am always on xxxxxxxxxx Edited January 10, 2019 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Newmarket said: Mind you, must be the smallest fields ever at Nelson too and only 9 races 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 hours ago, globederby12 said: Another sweeping generalization, without any real data to back it up. Geeze you are full of it tonight. I dont know why we bother. Not thinking of going back to Racecafe at all .?Just asking.. I've given up bothering, for the simple reason that, like somebody else we all hear far too much of, Brodie is impervious to facts. His list of enemies, and his views on them, are fixed in advance: • The NZRB is evil • The TAB is doubly evil • HRNZ is evil • All stipes are evil • The 10 strikes law is the epitome of evil • The All Stars are, if not actually evil, then certainly very dangerous • Anybody who disagrees with him is probably evil and certainly clueless (especially if they respond with facts) Have I missed anybody?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Basil said: I've given up bothering, for the simple reason that, like somebody else we all hear far too much of, Brodie is impervious to facts. His list of enemies, and his views on them, are fixed in advance: • The NZRB is evil • The TAB is doubly evil • HRNZ is evil • All stipes are evil • The 10 strikes law is the epitome of evil • The All Stars are, if not actually evil, then certainly very dangerous • Anybody who disagrees with him is probably evil and certainly clueless (especially if they respond with facts) Have I missed anybody?? yourself 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Brodie said: Globe, name a sweeping generalisation???? Brodie, says it the way it actually is! If you don’t like it then it is your prerogative, but at the end of the day “always on the money”,! you got you 20k ready globe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Basil said: I've given up bothering, for the simple reason that, like somebody else we all hear far too much of, Brodie is impervious to facts. His list of enemies, and his views on them, are fixed in advance: • The NZRB is evil • The TAB is doubly evil • HRNZ is evil • All stipes are evil • The 10 strikes law is the epitome of evil • The All Stars are, if not actually evil, then certainly very dangerous • Anybody who disagrees with him is probably evil and certainly clueless (especially if they respond with facts) Have I missed anybody?? Basil, Happy New Year to you! Never once said any of those parties are evil!! What I do point out is injustices and wrongs and things that are detrimental to harness racing! If you want to keep your head buried in the sand then that is your prerogative!!!!! Where on earth have I said that NZRB is evil? Haven’t said that NZHR is evil, basically that they make major cock ups that need redressing, and point these out! Stipes are not evil, just not that efficient or constructive and often totally make wrong decisions! Anyone with half a brain realises that putting a figure on the no. Of whips was a blatantly stupid thing to do! Allstars are not evil at all, in fact are brilliant at what they do. Just blatantly detrimental to harness racing by their domination. Anyone can disagree with Brodie, doesn’t worry me, but you never do give me any facts that proves Brodie wrong, Basil! Edited January 10, 2019 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Squirrel Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: yourself I think this sums it up best 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Yeah, come on Brodes, just sit back and enjoy the topics in 2019. Sure we can agree to disagree, but you never seem to back anything up. Harness and gallops have got major issues, and with financial uncertanties in China and US, could be a very tough year. Yes, we all remember the days when meeting at the local tab 30 years ago, huge crowds at track, many more owners was the norm. But people now have far more things to spend their money on, didnt have casinos, sky tv, netflix, overseas online gambling, and everything else. Its losing its appeal, yes it will survive in some form, but it wont be what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Brodie said: What a dumb thing to say! If the Dunn stab,e hadn’t taken up a team then the meetings may well have been in jeapardy! in relation to the cambridge mile, who was it that said "Obviously if the 4 AllStars horses weren’t lining up the race wouldn’t be even happening!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 On the basis that they would not run the race with only 3 starters!,,, Reality is that if the AllStars weren’t lining up there would be other horses lining up, maybe a somewhat lower class but the fact remains, they scare horses off!, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Brodie said: So you know owners outside of the AllStars Stable that are making money on racing horses Globe. it is a pretty well known fact that you are lucky if you can break even!!!! Full Of It? Yes of course I am, because I am always confident in what I say! You do not have to agree with Brodie, but as you know xxxxxxxxxxxx. Geez if everyone on here agreed with me, it would be pretty boring even though I am always on xxxxxxxxxx Hi Brodie, A reason why we support Racing as owners, is because we choose to, in the knowledge that it our leisure dollar, and just as in betting, know we will probably not come out on top. If we do have good results on occasions , then that is a unexpected bonus. "No risk, no reward". Cheers. Robert. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, Brodie said: On the basis that they would not run the race with only 3 starters!,,, Reality is that if the AllStars weren’t lining up there would be other horses lining up, maybe a somewhat lower class but the fact remains, they scare horses off!, Lower class horses???? Oh my god, FFS, luckily we have the All Stars!! Anyway, who wins tonight boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Newmarket said: Lower class horses???? Oh my god, FFS, luckily we have the All Stars!! Anyway, who wins tonight boys Predictable result, turn it up leads, hands up to the fixer, then an Aaron white special, turn it up fills his hopples on the passing Lane...this son of wahhh wahh having his 10th start wahhh wahhh while we all wait 5 minutes for Aaron to call home 2nd, 3rd and 4th!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Predictable result, turn it up leads, hands up to the fixer, then an Aaron white special, turn it up fills his hopples on the passing Lane...this son of wahhh wahh having his 10th start wahhh wahhh while we all wait 5 minutes for Aaron to call home 2nd, 3rd and 4th!! The real question for me is if Jacks Legend will end up all dressed up with no where to go. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: The real question for me is if Jacks Legend will end up all dressed up with no where to go. I would love to see Jack's legend or star Galleria lead and trail just to put a fly in the ointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 At least we won’t get “Ribbon of Light” or if we do Aaron is pretty confused and probably needs attention! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Lower class horses???? Oh my god, FFS, luckily we have the All Stars!! Anyway, who wins tonight boys Would rather have an interesting race of slightly lower class horse than the pathetically boring race we are going to have tonight! Purdon will totally dominate once again! yawn!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 hours ago, globederby12 said: We would welcome you aboard our syndicates (Seafield and Griffins) racing out of the Williamson Barn, Joe. Square gaiters are the place to be, and have tasted group success, and have some lovely youngsters waiting to race .Couple that with our other stock presently racing its exciting times. And the AS barn dont worry us, despite Brodies protestations and sweeping generalizations. Hi Globe, Thank you for the offer. I appreciate it especially as I prefer the square-gaiters. I cut my teeth following Nigel Craig around. When I'm ready to get back into horse ownership even on a small scale, I will PM you. Cheers I wish to clarify my perspective on the All Stars. I've noticed there is a divide between the supporters of the A.S and those who see them via different lenses. I feel some of the supporters deliberately misrepresent what the non supporters are saying. Why do they do so? It's my contention that they want to portray them as being ignorant and envious etc. All that does is create an even bigger divide. I'm actually a big fan of Mark Purdon. He has a terrific eye for spotting potential top liners. He's a magnificent conditioner of a horse. He puts plans in place that virtually guarantee success. He's a superb driver. As for him personally. He comes across as an affable, respectful, and sincere man. He's great with the media. Always obliging. I'm in no way envious of him. Quite the contrary in fact. That aside, the game is not just about one trainer and a small group of owners. In order for our sport to flourish and evolve, it needs investment. If a growing number of people find it increasing difficult to justify the investment, they will eventually give up the ghost. Feature race meetings have become an All Stars benefit day. How many feature races will they dominate on bla bla bla day? All is invariably the correct answer. Long term, it can't be good watching all the biggest and best spoils in the game repeatedly headed in the same direction. What then when that day is done? Look forward to the Jewels or Cup day and watch exactly the same thing unfold again Ad Infinitum. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 49 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Predictable result, turn it up leads, hands up to the fixer, then an Aaron white special, turn it up fills his hopples on the passing Lane...this son of wahhh wahh having his 10th start wahhh wahhh while we all wait 5 minutes for Aaron to call home 2nd, 3rd and 4th!! lets hope he doesn't make an absolute balls up of it as per the initial monte trot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Joe Kidd said: Hi Globe, Thank you for the offer. I appreciate it especially as I prefer the square-gaiters. I cut my teeth following Nigel Craig around. When I'm ready to get back into horse ownership even on a small scale, I will PM you. Cheers I wish to clarify my perspective on the All Stars. I've noticed there is a divide between the supporters of the A.S and those who see them via different lenses. I feel some of the supporters deliberately misrepresent what the non supporters are saying. Why do they do so? It's my contention that they want to portray them as being ignorant and envious etc. All that does is create an even bigger divide. I'm actually a big fan of Mark Purdon. He has a terrific eye for spotting potential top liners. He's a magnificent conditioner of a horse. He puts plans in place that virtually guarantee success. He's a superb driver. As for him personally. He comes across as an affable, respectful, and sincere man. He's great with the media. Always obliging. I'm in no way envious of him. Quite the contrary in fact. That aside, the game is not just about one trainer and a small group of owners. In order for our sport to flourish and evolve, it needs investment. If a growing number of people find it increasing difficult to justify the investment, they will eventually give up the ghost. Feature race meetings have become an All Stars benefit day. How many feature races will they dominate on bla bla bla day? All is invariably the correct answer. Long term, it can't be good watching all the biggest and best spoils in the game repeatedly headed in the same direction. What then when that day is done? Look forward to the Jewels or Cup day and watch exactly the same thing unfold again Ad Infinitum. The one thing I don't like is one barn having so many runners in a big race it just opens up the team driving aspect too much for me..lead trail stable mate.. passing Lane ..your in a no win situation if you have a horse in the race, your fighting a team of horses not individual horses. I'll get hammered for this, but I see it all the time in classic races and not many big races excite me anymore apart from the square gaiters. One thingI would love to see is the passing Lane done away with....lead and hand up so meekly would become redundant, the pressure would be on all the time and drivers would have to start thinking rather than taking the easy option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Flagship, agree re the classic racing but still need the passing lane lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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