TIME FOR CHANGE Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Having attended an amazing day at Royal Randwick with not just Winx but the whole concept of creating a 2 day Carnival "The Championship" and hearing people talk about the success of "The Everest" got me thinking. Do we have any CEO's in racing within NZ with any VISION !! Auckland seem to do a few things well but still struggle get big attendance. Waikato....not sure Wellington...struggle Canterbury void of any new ideas What have NZTR and the above Clubs come up with over the last 10 years to add excitement to their race days ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) Nothing - I was at Riccarton yesterday along with 300 others - why the hell they didn't have a winx day and got people inolved fails me -sunset industry fir sure - they have not got a fcken clue I was at Randwick for Derby Day and left Riccarton after race 5 - off to local TAB more interesting - Riccarton are like most other clubs do not know what to do to get people involved I could give them 10 ideas but can't be bothered Edited April 14, 2019 by Turny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Similar at Te Rapa today Turny, beautiful sunny warm day and only a reasonable crowd, but shit it’s boring on course now. Racings totally lost its way, failed to move with the times, has people lacking vision across all levels, constantly shits on its customers and so on. Interesting that the ladies behind the machines told me today that it’s got very quiet since Xmas and that midweek is near dead for them. More and more are .using the self service machines or their phone. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Turny said: Nothing - I was at Riccarton yesterday along with 300 others - why the hell they didn't have a winx day and got people inolved fails me -sunset industry fir sure - they have not got a fcken clue I was at Randwick for Derby Day and left Riccarton after race 5 - off to local TAB more interesting - Riccarton are like most other clubs do not know what to do to get people involved I could give them 10 ideas but can't be bothered Sadly, yes...they can't be bothered either. I only live across the road...but preferred to watch on TV, have a few [ small ] bets and await the Aus coverage. When, after the earthquakes, the Crusaders had their first 'home' game' for ages - I thought some traction could have been made from that. Tickets for both venues perhaps, on course promotions/comps giving free entry to game, buses to stadium.....anything, ffs, apart from the nothing that eventuated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 12 hours ago, TIME FOR CHANGE said: Having attended an amazing day at Royal Randwick with not just Winx but the whole concept of creating a 2 day Carnival "The Championship" and hearing people talk about the success of "The Everest" got me thinking. Do we have any CEO's in racing within NZ with any VISION !! Auckland seem to do a few things well but still struggle get big attendance. Waikato....not sure Wellington...struggle Canterbury void of any new ideas What have NZTR and the above Clubs come up with over the last 10 years to add excitement to their race days ? Eff all....but many of the country venues that our management team are so hell-bent on closing do a great job within their communities and with their limited funds for the purpose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 12 hours ago, TIME FOR CHANGE said: Having attended an amazing day at Royal Randwick with not just Winx but the whole concept of creating a 2 day Carnival "The Championship" and hearing people talk about the success of "The Everest" got me thinking. Do we have any CEO's in racing within NZ with any VISION !! Auckland seem to do a few things well but still struggle get big attendance. Waikato....not sure Wellington...struggle Canterbury void of any new ideas What have NZTR and the above Clubs come up with over the last 10 years to add excitement to their race days ? I believe a lot of them are very good golfers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) With all due respect to Aussie racing lets get some perspective. Team Consensus pays $22k late entry to the Coolmore Legacy(unfortunately straight down the drain but anyway she has paid for it so we live with that...). What privileges would you expect for the day in return? Well ......... Free entry, a racebook and a drink voucher. No owners room, no owners area, not even discounted admission to one of the hospitality areas. Despite what everyone says Aussie racing is not the be all and end all in terms of the way owners are treated nor in respect of the returns to owners. Twice in the last couple of weeks I have heard of the horrendous(and I mean HORRENDOUS) costs of having a horse trained over there in the city and as we found out Saturday the standard is extremely high. I know it all looks good, the coverage is excellent and there is plenty of punting going on but it is not the racing utopia people make it out to be. And if NZ Racing doubles it stakes(as Big Dave is promising) watch the costs go through the roof(I am not denying the trainers right to a decent living just pointing out the reality). This is not a game for the (financially) faint hearted. I must admit I wasn't there at Randwick Saturday but I have been treated a bloody sight better at Riccarton(at times) than they offered there on Saturday. Edited April 14, 2019 by Reefton 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Turny said: Nothing - I was at Riccarton yesterday along with 300 others - why the hell they didn't have a winx day and got people inolved fails me -sunset industry fir sure - they have not got a fcken clue I was at Randwick for Derby Day and left Riccarton after race 5 - off to local TAB more interesting - Riccarton are like most other clubs do not know what to do to get people involved I could give them 10 ideas but can't be bothered Same CEO at Riccarton for last 25 years. Might that have something to do with it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Having money coming out of your ears (eg Government) certainly helps Australian racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 2 hours ago, SLB2.0 said: Having money coming out of your ears (eg Government) certainly helps Australian racing. I wish people would stop saying that and look at the numbers. What Australian racing get back from Government is a modest proportion of what they give government. The opposite is true here and some want more from NZ taxpayers. It's bullshit and ridiculous. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Trouble is here Curious, the games done and dusted in NZ. Not self supporting, a radical change is needed and now, people are going to be left behind, thats business unfortunately, better to do it now than lose everybody in 5 yrs which is the next option. Tough calls are needed, this is a business not a lifestyle that is supported by other taxpayers, thats called a benefit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, curious said: I wish people would stop saying that and look at the numbers. What Australian racing get back from Government is a modest proportion of what they give government. The opposite is true here and some want more from NZ taxpayers. It's bullshit and ridiculous. I don't really want more from the NZ taxpayer Curious(you can want it all you want anyway - you simply are not going to get it). But every time Aussie get a boost in stakes we hear that it is government money being poured in. I don't know how that is but it they continually say it. What I do want is the NZRB to get the shiite shaken out of it to generate more income(via reducing the overhead and improving returns) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, Reefton said: I don't really want more from the NZ taxpayer Curious(you can want it all you want anyway - you simply are not going to get it). But every time Aussie get a boost in stakes we hear that it is government money being poured in. I don't know how that is but it they continually say it. What I do want is the NZRB to get the shiite shaken out of it to generate more income(via reducing the overhead and improving returns) Same...and although I've tried to be the voice of reason, with the idea that due parliamentary process must take place to change the Racing Act [ if that happens ] I still don't know why Winston didn't get rid of most of them [ the Board, that is ]. All bar Bill Birnie finished their elected terms recently, he could have easily replaced them, surely? As it is we watch helplessly as the turnover plummets and more and more disenchanted punters leave the NZTAB - probably forever given that, as well as the website, the product is largely woeful as well. I am told that duty relief is likely - not justified in my humble opinion - especially to hand to this lot to piss away even more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Freda said: Sadly, yes...they can't be bothered either. I only live across the road...but preferred to watch on TV, have a few [ small ] bets and await the Aus coverage. When, after the earthquakes, the Crusaders had their first 'home' game' for ages - I thought some traction could have been made from that. Tickets for both venues perhaps, on course promotions/comps giving free entry to game, buses to stadium.....anything, ffs, apart from the nothing that eventuated. Agree entirely We should have partnered with CRFU, Commodore Hotel, Casino, Addington Trots, CHCH Council and put on "weekend away for the sportsperson weekends" Was all there and Zippo taken up - incredible that it was ignored Edited April 15, 2019 by Turny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Stop stalking Idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I remember in the 80s, going to Lancaster park to watch Canterbury play rugby, and Addington Raceway putting on free buses to the races after. Used to be 2 or 3 buses from memory, used to look forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Turny said: Stop stalking Idiot Is Thomarse banned now? Is a smiley face his limit now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihikihi Kid Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Reefton said: I don't really want more from the NZ taxpayer Curious(you can want it all you want anyway - you simply are not going to get it). But every time Aussie get a boost in stakes we hear that it is government money being poured in. I don't know how that is but it they continually say it. What I do want is the NZRB to get the shiite shaken out of it to generate more income(via reducing the overhead and improving returns) John Allen will be gone before too long and the next clown will be on an even bigger salary. nzrb is a protected species reefton and nothing will ever change until it goes tits up and stakes go back to 5K (if any left in the kitty after this website catastrophe) oh and nzrb will carry on til the well really does run dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Kihikihi Kid said: John Allen will be gone before too long and the next clown will be on an even bigger salary. nzrb is a protected species reefton and nothing will ever change until it goes tits up and stakes go back to 5K (if any left in the kitty after this website catastrophe) oh and nzrb will carry on til the well really does run dry. Hope you're wrong but you are probably right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porky Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 14/04/2019 at 6:07 PM, TIME FOR CHANGE said: Having attended an amazing day at Royal Randwick with not just Winx but the whole concept of creating a 2 day Carnival "The Championship" and hearing people talk about the success of "The Everest" got me thinking. Do we have any CEO's in racing within NZ with any VISION !! Auckland seem to do a few things well but still struggle get big attendance. Waikato....not sure Wellington...struggle Canterbury void of any new ideas What have NZTR and the above Clubs come up with over the last 10 years to add excitement to their race days ? On 14/04/2019 at 6:17 PM, Turny said: Nothing - I was at Riccarton yesterday along with 300 others - why the hell they didn't have a winx day and got people inolved fails me -sunset industry fir sure - they have not got a fcken clue I was at Randwick for Derby Day and left Riccarton after race 5 - off to local TAB more interesting - Riccarton are like most other clubs do not know what to do to get people involved I could give them 10 ideas but can't be bothered Hard Case... 2 mates and I were all lined up to go to the Hastings races Saturday...overcast and cold as, so gave it a miss and met up at the mates. We had an in depth conversation about the shit-house management, attracting newcomers (either next generation , new influential business, money type people (usually at wine concerts) , or even, us, regular racegoers. Things that must be addresses ASAP ..Entry prices, Bar prices...so ( in adverse weather...when the 6pk or bottle of wine BYO , and chilly bin pic-nic option become unpleasant ! Create indoor / outdoor... summer/winter family entertainment options for all. Can,t be that hard...better late than never...we are a joke compared to Aussie racing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, porky said: Hard Case... 2 mates and I were all lined up to go to the Hastings races Saturday...overcast and cold as, so gave it a miss and met up at the mates. We had an in depth conversation about the shit-house management, attracting newcomers (either next generation , new influential business, money type people (usually at wine concerts) , or even, us, regular racegoers. Things that must be addresses ASAP ..Entry prices, Bar prices...so ( in adverse weather...when the 6pk or bottle of wine BYO , and chilly bin pic-nic option become unpleasant ! Create indoor / outdoor... summer/winter family entertainment options for all. Can,t be that hard...better late than never...we are a joke compared to Aussie racing ! Yes Porky a joke when you compare shitty little Hastings to Flemington or Randwick, both of which are in cities the size of NZs population. Now compare it to say Warrnambool (excluding the upcoming carnival) & its relatively similar, I have a mate who lives there and often he is one of no more than 100 in the crowd, pays massive prices for food and drink and $20 entry fee for a crappy day of maiden races, sound more familiar?. Edited April 16, 2019 by barryb 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 PS: Porky, some of my most enjoyable race meeting attendances have been at Hastings (even in July) the viewing area and parade ring are super. I love the fella who makes the fried bread, yum. Its not all bad there mate. I like Wanganui for similar reasons, although the catering at Wanganui is below average, the coffee van is decent. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Slightly off topic....but have a look at the Riverton entries....massive. They'll have an awesome meeting, wish I was going . I love Riverton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, Freda said: Slightly off topic....but have a look at the Riverton entries....massive. They'll have an awesome meeting, wish I was going . I love Riverton. Yes, they are huge, I cant understand why they are not spliting 2 of the races and making it 11 races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 22 hours ago, Newmarket said: Is Thomarse banned now? Is a smiley face his limit now? That should be gone as well. I see the stupid clown is bombarding the same posters with this shit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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