the galah Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Junior driver A Cameron after 300m steered her horse onto the wheel of the horse inside her,causing her horse to trip and break. As well she flattened the tyre of precious megan resulting in it taking no real part thereafter. An extremely poor piece of driving.t The stipes apparently gave her some friendly advice.Yet Sam Thornley loses his licence for some time for excessive use of the whip. Talk about inconsistent enforcement of the rules. Inconsistent stipe penalties seems to be creeping back. into harness racing. I don't know why some seem to be favored over others although who the stipes on duty are seems to be a factor again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 11 hours ago, the galah said: Inconsistent stipe penalties seems to be creeping back. into harness racing. I don't know why some seem to be favored over others although who the stipes on duty are seems to be a factor again. Because the use of the whip in harness racing is just like the head in rugby - a no go area. Hence, the seemingly 'inconsistent' penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Because the use of the whip in harness racing is just like the head in rugby - a no go area. Hence, the seemingly 'inconsistent' penalties. The Ozzie’s aren’t worried about the use of the whip! So why are we worried now? Go back to the previous rule that worked just fine. Drivers didn’t have to be able to count to ten or wonder whether they have hit to many times without a break. Blatantly ridiculous rule needs to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Tell me who can tell the difference in real time between hitting the side of a horse's rump and the sulky shaft? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) The thing with Junior drivers is that really only learn on race day with fuller fields than at trials where the fields are small and times are slower. I respect any junior driver that takes out a license and then has to step up and race against not only their peers but against experienced horsemen. I believe that the Stipes need to take into account the inexperience of the Juniors when looking at things and they clearly did with Alana but not Sam Thornley. Both are going to make it as reins people in the Junior ranks and you have to remember that our top junior John Morrison took over 100 drives to gain his first win! Stipes are very erratic with their decision making and Some of their rules that they are applying just doesn’t make sense. Edited August 14, 2019 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Brodie said: The thing with Junior drivers is that really only learn on race day with fuller fields than at trials where the fields are small and times are slower. I respect any junior driver that takes out a license and then has to step up and race against not only their peers but against experienced horsemen. I believe that the Stipes need to take into account the inexperience of the Juniors when looking at things and they clearly did with Alana but not Sam Thornley. Both are going to make it as reins people in the Junior ranks and you have to remember that our top junior John Morrison took over 100 drives to gain his first win! Stipes are very erratic with their decision making and Some of their rules that they are applying just doesn’t make sense. I don't agree that the stipes should take into account the inexperience of juniors. Thornley seems to have been penalized because of his inexperience, whereas A Cameron has gotten away with sub standard driving that an amateur would have got 3 months for. One rule for the juniors .another rule for the amateurs and another for everyone else. Seems ridiculous to me and will only lead back to where harness racing was a few years ago where those on the wrong end of inconsistent penalties become disenchanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Tell me who can tell the difference in real time between hitting the side of a horse's rump and the sulky shaft? I understood it makes no difference whether you hit the horse, the shaft or thin air. I think you will get fined if you just do the motion of a strike with the whip even if they can see you never hit the horse once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furlong Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I think you are right galah. They don't want anything that looks like hitting the horse that will upset the "do gooders". Another case of the majority giving in to the minority, in this looney left liberal world we live in. No common sense whatsoever. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, the galah said: I understood it makes no difference whether you hit the horse, the shaft or thin air. I think you will get fined if you just do the motion of a strike with the whip even if they can see you never hit the horse once. That is my understanding too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Rusty said: That is my understanding too. Has anyone asked the horse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Has anyone asked the horse? In terms of the rules, it doesn't a difference, but dead right, someone should ask the horse, even though we all know what the answer would be.... It would not be neigh! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsfan Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Rusty said: That is my understanding too. I think Ross Houghton has been fined and suspended for hitting the shafts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Trotsfan said: I think Ross Houghton has been fined and suspended for hitting the shafts That's ludicrous!! I suppose you are not allowed to slap the reins across the backside either! Have boring poles with prickers been banned? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 rules are getting so out of control they will be banned horse shoes as they will be thinking horses are running with nails in there feet think some prickers are banned chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Trotsfan said: I think Ross Houghton has been fined and suspended for hitting the shafts We would all be suspended if that was the case..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Apparently a driver can't even whip another driver when going down the back straight without getting fined these days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Rusty said: Apparently a driver can't even whip another driver when going down the back straight without getting fined these days. Nor do a 'Gavin Smith' and hit a stable runner down the home straight to get its mind on the job. Oh for the good ole days. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I must say when the whip eventually disappears not many big punters will have much confidence in betting on the horses, not that I think it's a good thing for the horses, but a few wake up calls does help.....it will get to the point where horses will just switch off and punters will leave in droves because form won't Matter. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 14 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Nor do a 'Gavin Smith' and hit a stable runner down the home straight to get its mind on the job. Oh for the good ole days. Obviously, you do not get sarcasm, Whiplash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Obviously, you do not get sarcasm, Whiplash. sorry was to busy laughing and hit the wrong button, did he get away with it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, whiplash smile said: sorry was to busy laughing and hit the wrong button, did he get away with it? $750 fine. Here is the video. Happens just after the top of the straight...WHOOSHKAA. https://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=253804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: $750 fine. Here is the video. Happens just after the top of the straight...WHOOSHKAA. https://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=253804 thanks for that, i think that whack might have even cost him the race, bizzare move when it was already being whipped, Big Whack aswell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 i wonder if s diamant forgot about the hopple shortners till late in the straight, if she pulled them earlier would have won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 15/08/2019 at 10:20 AM, hunterthepunter said: think some prickers are banned chief barbed wire is most certainly out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, whiplash smile said: i think that whack might have even cost him the race, It was only a trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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