Reefton Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Did anyone else cringe at the TV shots of the crowd(or lack thereof) today? I know most were probably in the stand behind the birdcage but the shots we got were of deserted lawns and those frames of hospo tents with no covering did not look too inspiring either. I see Bernard there so expect the Club will be getting a 'must do better' message before many hundreds of thousands of industry money are spent there on this day next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Did you notice the whimsical turnover without the co mingling. Went to have a quaddie at Flemington until I noticed no co mingling. Rang the help desk to enquire whether the takeout rate will change on the quaddie now that it was not co mingled. My worst fears were realised when after going to his supervisor he informed me it would now be 26% takeout as against 20% if co mingled. Is it little wonder NZ racing is going down the gurglar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, aquaman said: Did you notice the whimsical turnover without the co mingling. Went to have a quaddie at Flemington until I noticed no co mingling. Rang the help desk to enquire whether the takeout rate will change on the quaddie now that it was not co mingled. My worst fears were realised when after going to his supervisor he informed me it would now be 26% takeout as against 20% if co mingled. Is it little wonder NZ racing is going down the gurglar. Oh dear! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) Please can we ditch the name “Champagne Turf” its cringeworthy, should have been ditched in the 90s Edited January 11, 2020 by Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, aquaman said: the takeout rate will change on the quaddie now that it was not co mingled. My worst fears were realised when after going to his supervisor he informed me it would now be 26% takeout as against 20% if co mingled. Is it little wonder NZ racing is going down the gurglar. at least when Ned Kelly Robbed you he had a Gun... NZTAB do it with a sneer... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 The jockey’s were raving about the racing surface today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Great day at Trentham today. Just back home after a very good days racing on a very good surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 It would want to be good - they have pissed millions of dollars of industry money up against the wall getting it that way. And did you feel lonely out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Reefton said: It would want to be good - they have pissed millions of dollars of industry money up against the wall getting it that way. And did you feel lonely out there? Reefton tell me what they did to the track to spend millions of dollars of industry money up against the wall getting it that way. In this instance I believe that you are all piss and wind and know nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dark Beau said: Reefton tell me what they did to the track to spend millions of dollars of industry money up against the wall getting it that way. In this instance I believe that you are all piss and wind and know nothing. It is common knowledge the Trentham track and the Trentham facilities have had copious amounts of industry money spent on them (as have all the 'Metropolitan' Clubs in this country plus outfits like Omoto). In the days of the Racing Authority and up until a few years ago with the NZRB they would click their fingers and the industry cash would come flooding in. All the while the country clubs would be battling away trying to maintain tracks and facilities. There are a lot of tracks in this country that have attracted an enormous amount of criticism over the years and Trentham is a primary example. And the bottom line? (as exhibited by yesterday's tremendous attendance both crowdwise and in terms of starter numbers) - people clearly do not want to go there save for the one day a year. It might be harsh reality for you but it is the truth. For years those big clubs have been sucking the industry dry in terms of the money spent on maintaining them and in terms of the excessive stakes they pay compared to the turnover they produce. And now what will they want? To shut down half those Country Clubs and use their monetary assets to build more monstrosity buildings for nobody to use apart from one day a year. Edited January 11, 2020 by Reefton 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, Reefton said: It might be harsh reality for you but it is the truth. For years those big clubs have been sucking the industry dry in terms of the money spent on maintaining them and in terms of the excessive stakes they pay compared to the turnover they produce. Yep. Over half a million in stakes provided by the industry for the club to pocket whatever revenue they did from oncourse betting and other oncourse expenditure and what revenue did the day generate for the industry? Anyone seen or got the turnover figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 The truth is that not one cent of industry money (RIB or NZRB) has been spent on the racing service in the last 25 years. (Fact) It is true that the new NZRB about 22 years ago spent $1.5 doing up the or refurbishing the Members Stand. (Fact) Reefton, prove me wrong regarding paragraph one, or apologise and withdraw your untruth. I don’t disagree with much of what you say though regarding the treatment of small clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, curious said: Yep. Over half a million in stakes provided by the industry for the club to pocket whatever revenue they did from oncourse betting and other oncourse expenditure and what revenue did the day generate for the industry? Anyone seen or got the turnover figures? Yep, half a million is being given to Ellerslie in two weeks just to partly fund the two $1 million races plus of course all the other races are funded to to their normal level! Leggy, get stuck into that. Edited January 11, 2020 by Dark Beau 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Reefton said: Did anyone else cringe at the TV shots of the crowd(or lack thereof) today? I know most were probably in the stand behind the birdcage but the shots we got were of deserted lawns and those frames of hospo tents with no covering did not look too inspiring either. I see Bernard there so expect the Club will be getting a 'must do better' message before many hundreds of thousands of industry money are spent there on this day next year. To be fair to RACE (which I hate to do) this day is always going to be a disaster for them as the "industry" at the behest of NZB has had to start this Cup meeting a week earlier to accomodate the Ellerslie Karaka meeting being held on the Saturady when the Cup was usually run (for about 30 years at least). The very casual punter hasn't changed their routines to cater for this and likely never will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 It has descended onto a Bush meeting, tragically sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whyisit Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Dark Beau said: The truth is that not one cent of industry money (RIB or NZRB) has been spent on the racing service in the last 25 years. (Fact) It is true that the new NZRB about 22 years ago spent $1.5 doing up the or refurbishing the Members Stand. (Fact) Reefton, prove me wrong regarding paragraph one, or apologise and withdraw your untruth. I don’t disagree with much of what you say though regarding the treatment of small clubs. Now Dark Beau. Tell me why the likes the Six clubs having to be sold up should have to when Wellington received that $1.5 million . shouldnt in all fairness Wellington should sell up some of their land to pay it back first and how much have they paid it back from the developments around the courses ie the school block and the housing at the back of the course or have they pocketed it all for themselves to stay afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Dark Beau said: The truth is that not one cent of industry money (RIB or NZRB) has been spent on the racing service in the last 25 years. (Fact) Total bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Dark Beau said: The truth is that not one cent of industry money (RIB or NZRB) has been spent on the racing service in the last 25 years. (Fact) It is true that the new NZRB about 22 years ago spent $1.5 doing up the or refurbishing the Members Stand. (Fact) Reefton, prove me wrong regarding paragraph one, or apologise and withdraw your untruth. I don’t disagree with much of what you say though regarding the treatment of small clubs. One thing I do know the sort of tricks Accountants get up to cover their tracks when there is something they do not want the public - or Auditors for that matter - to know. So I don't doubt there will be no trace on the WRC financial statements of all the money put in but it will be there all right. Greymouth was a 'Metropolitan' club under the old District Committee Structure as well and all those lovely tidy facilities people mention there were all paid for by the Racing Authority (the stand, the admin block and the stabling) - the rest of the Coast (Kumara included) got zero when assistance was requested. And if they haven't got any money in the last 22 years it is because their snouts were far too deep into the trough for years beforehand and essentially the money ran out. Since then they have just got a vastly disproportionate (in terms of turnover) amount of dosh to blow on stakes . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reefton said: One thing I do know the sort of tricks Accountants get up to cover their tracks when there is something they do not want the public - or Auditors for that matter - to know. So I don't doubt there will be no trace on the WRC financial statements of all the money put in but it will be there all right. Greymouth was a 'Metropolitan' club under the old District Committee Structure as well and all those lovely tidy facilities people mention there were all paid for by the Racing Authority (the stand, the admin block and the stabling) - the rest of the Coast (Kumara included) got zero when assistance was requested. And if they haven't got any money in the last 22 years it is because their snouts were far too deep into the trough for years beforehand and essentially the money ran out. Since then they have just got a vastly disproportionate (in terms of turnover) amount of dosh to blow on stakes . Speaking of accountants, their former treasurer, at the time they went broke, was non other than John Fokerd who is now suspended by The Accountants' Society Edited January 12, 2020 by Bloke spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 17 hours ago, Bloke said: Speaking of accountants, their former treasurer, at the time they went broke, was non other than John Fokerd who is now suspended by The Accountants' Society Yeah well it takes a bit for CAANZ to turn on you so that tells a story in itself. He must have been bad.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 hours ago, Reefton said: Yeah well it takes a bit for CAANZ to turn on you so that tells a story in itself. He must have been bad.. Sadly he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I know that a couple of you seem disagree with everything I post, especially negative Leggy. Anyway I believe that Trentham will again put up another perfect track on Saturday. Certainly the racing Gods have had their say by sprinkling 26 mm evenly across the track in the last 20 hours. By the way....did you hear Waddell’s comments after his first winning ride? I have never ever heard a more positive comment from a jockey. ? P.S. And I didn’t pay him off. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The best track in NZ imho , usually provides a very fair competitive surface for all runners and my favourite for punting and watching races. Crowd on Saturday was disappointing(I thought Oaks day was bad this was much worse), no atmosphere, hospitality is appalling (both by club and food/ options for a venue of this significance), there is an air of arrogance about the place that doesn't befit what it is delivering if that makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Bush meeting and has been for 29 years - can the show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Dark Beau said: I know that a couple of you seem disagree with everything I post, especially negative Leggy. Anyway I believe that Trentham will again put up another perfect track on Saturday. Don't recall ever saying anything negative about the Trentham track. It's my fave in NZ and the only one I attended on a raceday last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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