Bloke Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 12 hours ago, Huey said: The best track in NZ imho , usually provides a very fair competitive surface for all runners and my favourite for punting and watching races. Crowd on Saturday was disappointing(I thought Oaks day was bad this was much worse), no atmosphere, hospitality is appalling (both by club and food/ options for a venue of this significance), there is an air of arrogance about the place that doesn't befit what it is delivering if that makes sense. I wonder during race day how many committee members would "lower themselves" to enter the public stand / bar. 1 Quote
Reefton Posted January 14, 2020 Author Posted January 14, 2020 Even more disturbing.... I acknowledge when Trentham (as a racecourse) is good it is very good(ditto Riccarton and Ellerslie) but a little comparison... On Saturday $130k or so of industry funds spent on stakes at Grey for a $192k Oncourse. Trentham $545k of industry funds for an oncourse of $125K Waiting for the offcourse but doesn't make great reading(and I will bet a bloody sight more young kids got their first taste of the excitement of racing at Omoto). These disturbing results whereby the 'pinnacle' events that you would expect to see massive(comparatively) attendances simply are not supported is a continuing concern. 1 Quote
curious Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Reefton said: Even more disturbing.... I acknowledge when Trentham (as a racecourse) is good it is very good(ditto Riccarton and Ellerslie) but a little comparison... On Saturday $130k or so of industry funds spent on stakes at Grey for a $192k Oncourse. Trentham $545k of industry funds for an oncourse of $125K Waiting for the offcourse but doesn't make great reading(and I will bet a bloody sight more young kids got their first taste of the excitement of racing at Omoto). These disturbing results whereby the 'pinnacle' events that you would expect to see massive(comparatively) attendances simply are not supported is a continuing concern. Agree. Let us know the offcourse when you have them please Reefy. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, Reefton said: On Saturday $130k or so of industry funds spent on stakes at Grey for a $192k Oncourse. Trentham $545k of industry funds for an oncourse of $125K Well done Reefton. Based on an average 17% takeout (probably more than that) Reefton provided $30k+ to the industry coffers from oncourse betting alone. A deficit of $100k. On that basis Trentham provided $20k+. A deficit of $525k. I doubt the off-course figures will give a positive result for Trentham but it may well do for Reefton. 1 Quote
Bloke Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 There is no way around it Trentham's on course turnover was poor. The only thing I would say in their defence is that I went last Saturday and was in a group of eight. All except two of us were placing bets through phones which shows as off corse turnover. Not withstanding that it was a poor crowd as it was last year. Quote
curious Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Combined turnover Trentham 2.47m So generous estimate maybe 180k net wagering revenue for a half mil stakes expenditure? Quote
Murray Fish Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 16 hours ago, curious said: So generous estimate maybe 180k net wagering revenue for a half mil stakes expenditure? General admission: $20.00 Ascot Stand: $70.00 Garden Party: $59.00 Cavallo Club: $90.00 Silks: $119.00 prices for Karka night at Els..... how does Trentham stack up with this sort of thing? Quote
Reefton Posted January 16, 2020 Author Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) On 15/01/2020 at 1:10 PM, Bloke said: There is no way around it Trentham's on course turnover was poor. The only thing I would say in their defence is that I went last Saturday and was in a group of eight. All except two of us were placing bets through phones which shows as off corse turnover. Not withstanding that it was a poor crowd as it was last year. I was a bit harsh on them actually. I got told $125 but the actual oncourse was $144(maybe intertrack the difference?). Offcourse $2.5m Trentham(up 21% on last year - as was almost everyone last week(up I mean)). And the award for the highest percentage increase in overall Turnover?????? Drumroll please .............................. The little old Reefton Jockey Club up 76% overall(knew they were top operators) Helps a bit when you don't have any competition Edited January 16, 2020 by Reefton 2 Quote
Thomass Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 On 15/01/2020 at 11:49 AM, Chief Stipe said: Well done Reefton. Based on an average 17% takeout (probably more than that) Reefton provided $30k+ to the industry coffers from oncourse betting alone. A deficit of $100k. On that basis Trentham provided $20k+. A deficit of $525k. I doubt the off-course figures will give a positive result for Trentham but it may well do for Reefton. Let's see... One off meetings in Tourist towns with the opportunity to experience Diliverence type Banjos people... ...v City Courses Racing 20 times a year... Some ridiculous 'arguments' going on here 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Some ridiculous 'arguments' going on How are they ridiculous? Quote
Thomass Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 Give these Holiday towns 20 meetings a year and see how they do... ....ridiculous comparisons Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, Thomass said: Give these Holiday towns 20 meetings a year and see how they do... ....ridiculous comparisons Still doesn't change the fact that the BIG FIVE don't contribute net revenue to the industry. Now that is ridiculous. Quote
curious Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Give these Holiday towns 20 meetings a year and see how they do... ....ridiculous comparisons Still probably be a bid disastrous but nowhere near the current calamitous financial and revenue situation. Quote
Sandpiper Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 On 15/01/2020 at 10:16 AM, Reefton said: On Saturday $130k or so of industry funds spent on stakes at Grey for a $192k Oncourse. Trentham $545k of industry funds for an oncourse of $125K Yes a total waste of funds. Let's reduce all the stakes until all the meetings are 'profitable' by this measure. 1 Quote
Huey Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 Someone had a great idea a while back, why not put industry dates up for tender to clubs? Help revitalise the sport in community areas, have clubs meet certain metrics over a 3 year period, make allowances for weather etc. Perhaps provide a better product to punt on, maybe some racing with the rail in the true position for a change, some decent sized fields, a bit of a crowd and atmosphere on course, some local support etc. Reduced costs, less pressure on larger clubs, less FTE required by them Etc It cannot be worse than what is being served up at the moment which is just killing the game from the inside out. 2 Quote
curious Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Sandpiper said: Yes a total waste of funds. Let's reduce all the stakes until all the meetings are 'profitable' by this measure. Yep. Needs to happen. Quote
Thomass Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 You've got sooooo many good ideas about cures bi... ...you should either open a Cure All Stall... ...or stand for Election...somewhere.. NZTR...RITA...tea wallah boy at the local Club for a starter? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Huey said: Someone had a great idea a while back, why not put industry dates up for tender to clubs? Help revitalise the sport in community areas, have clubs meet certain metrics over a 3 year period, make allowances for weather etc. I've long promoted that idea - bring some market forces back into the game. Get some real rather than token sponsorship. 1 Quote
Mark D Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 Looks like Te Rapa has the same issue today - more camera angles than spectators it seems Quote
Bloke Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 Agreed! Looks like the Jennifer Eccles syndicate makes up half of the crowd. Why is it that with so many horses trained and bred in the area that Te Rapa gets such shocking attendances? 2 1 Quote
Dark Beau Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Bloke said: Agreed! Looks like the Jennifer Eccles syndicate makes up half of the crowd. Why is it that with so many horses trained and bred in the area that Te Rapa gets such shocking attendances? They are still making their way back from the Elton John concert in the Bay. OK some are going to the Auckland one, but they are the ones that don’t know better or have no class. LOL Quote
barryb Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Bloke said: Agreed! Looks like the Jennifer Eccles syndicate makes up half of the crowd. Why is it that with so many horses trained and bred in the area that Te Rapa gets such shocking attendances? Nothing wrong with the crowd size ,it was big numbers. At least they were there to watch quality racing. They weren’t picnicking in the sun. Quote
barryb Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Mark D said: Looks like Te Rapa has the same issue today - more camera angles than spectators it seems You are a depressive poster Mark, can’t recall reading a positive post in 12 months. Find another activity if it upsets you so much. Quote
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