JJ Flash Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Mehe said: Are you saying that they are squeaky clean are you Never said anything , your doing all the writing,. But i would never say they were all dishonest on a website unless i had categorical evidence. Im asking for it again from you. 14 hours ago, Mehe said: The RIU are dishonest as you can get in all codes You said that and if untrue or you cant prove it then i suggest you might need a good lawyer should the RIU come knocking. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Blossom lady said: get it into your head that the riu are within their rights to enter nigel’s property. He cant get that point no matter how many times he is told- Give up Bloss Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 They cant hide in someone bushes get that into your head they can go to someone's place but must let them know they are there why cant you flash understand that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 The point is - no one is disputing the fact that the RIU can enter a licensed person's licensed facility. The questions are: Does that extend to entering a licensed person's private home? No. Is the RIU allowed to enter a licensed property without warning? Yes. Once there do they have to declare their presence? Yes. Are the RIU allowed to perform covert surveillance from outside the property or even on the property? That I doubt. JJ Flash - you seem to have a thorough understanding of the RIU processes and procedures. Can you clarify please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: The point is - no one is disputing the fact that the RIU can enter a licensed person's licensed facility. The questions are: Does that extend to entering a licensed person's private home? No. Is the RIU allowed to enter a licensed property without warning? Yes. Once there do they have to declare their presence? Yes. Are the RIU allowed to perform covert surveillance from outside the property or even on the property? That I doubt. JJ Flash - you seem to have a thorough understanding of the RIU processes and procedures. Can you clarify please? 223 (3) Every Racecourse Inspector shall be entitled to enter upon the property of any licensed person and enter any building, room or place thereon used in connection with the training or breeding of horses when exercising their power under these Rules. Got bored so had a look - can't find anything in relation to your numbers 3 and 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said: JJ Flash - you seem to have a thorough understanding of the RIU processes and procedures. Can you clarify please? Prefer not to Chief but i am pretty sure that one of Mehe's earlier comments is pretty much libelous should it be contested in court 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: The RIU are dishonest as you can get in all codes As its your site and you make the rules its up to you to decide whether such rubbish is allowed to stay. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Haha funny I'm sure you have said something similar before Are you thinking its ok to hide in the bushes there is and example of dishonest stipes Edited April 12, 2020 by Mehe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said: 223 (3) Every Racecourse Inspector shall be entitled to enter upon the property of any licensed person and enter any building, room or place thereon used in connection with the training or breeding of horses when exercising their power under these Rules. Got bored so had a look - can't find anything in relation to your numbers 3 and 4. Yes so if it's not written in there they cant do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: The point is - no one is disputing the fact that the RIU can enter a licensed person's licensed facility. The questions are: Does that extend to entering a licensed person's private home? No. Is the RIU allowed to enter a licensed property without warning? Yes. Once there do they have to declare their presence? Yes. Are the RIU allowed to perform covert surveillance from outside the property or even on the property? That I doubt. JJ Flash - you seem to have a thorough understanding of the RIU processes and procedures. Can you clarify please? As to the answer to number 4. I used to read all the New South Wales judicial reports which related to investigations of a similar nature..It was common practice for those investigating to undertake covert surveillance of licenceholders. I know i posted a couple of times a while back saying NSW authorities would do what it took to try and maintain the rules are enforced,whereas NZ did not seem interested in uncovering similar activity. There is 2 different sides,yet again,to the comments being made here. 1) Those that are unhappy that someone should be doing something outside the rules that gains them an unfair advantage. 2) those who"s sole focus seems to be the methods used to catch McGrath,not what he was doing. Why is that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said: 223 (3) Every Racecourse Inspector The RIU doesn't have any Racecourse Inspectors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, the galah said: As to the answer to number 4. I used to read all the New South Wales judicial reports which related to investigations of a similar nature..It was common practice for those investigating to undertake covert surveillance of licenceholders. I know i posted a couple of times a while back saying NSW authorities would do what it took to try and maintain the rules are enforced,whereas NZ did not seem interested in uncovering similar activity. There is 2 different sides,yet again,to the comments being made here. 1) Those that are unhappy that someone should be doing something outside the rules that gains them an unfair advantage. 2) those who"s sole focus seems to be the methods used to catch McGrath,not what he was doing. Why is that? Galah, exactly right!, It reminds me of the OJ Simpson trial, obviously guilty of murdering the victims by his own confession but somehow turned into a black vs white racial oppression issue? if the glove doesn't fit You must acquit ! Nigel was caught cheating, The methodology used to catch him whether rightly or wrongly is of no concern to me given the fact he was actually cheating and for that I'm grateful! Now without pointing fingers time to turn the focus to team driving and questionable results from other stables of possible concern. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, Chief Stipe said: The RIU doesn't have any Racecourse Inspectors. That just show's how outdated the HRNZ rules are - though I'm sure it would be argued that "inspector" and "investigator" are the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Taku Umanga said: That just show's how outdated the HRNZ rules are - though I'm sure it would be argued that "inspector" and "investigator" are the same thing. This is really the crux of the matter. How can there be any integrity when each code is separately responsible for their own rules that the RIU then presumably have to work under. There is extreme inconsistency between the codes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Careful che 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: This is really the crux of the matter. How can there be any integrity when each code is separately responsible for their own rules that the RIU then presumably have to work under. There is extreme inconsistency between the codes. Careful chief old flash will be saying you will be in court next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Prefer not to Chief but i am pretty sure that one of Mehe's earlier comments is pretty much libelous should it be contested in court Mehe could argue that it is a widely held belief and/or the truth. There have been examples of that that are widely published. 43 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: As its your site and you make the rules its up to you to decide whether such rubbish is allowed to stay. You should know by now that BOAY doesn't actively censor views it doesn't agree with. Unlike other forums. Liability at the end of the day rests with Mehe not BOAY. I do draw the line at racism and hate speech. In that area there is clear legislation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 I guess the RIU vs Kevin Morton JCA decision sets the ground rules for what can be said and can't be said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, the galah said: There is 2 different sides,yet again,to the comments being made here. 1) Those that are unhappy that someone should be doing something outside the rules that gains them an unfair advantage. 2) those who"s sole focus seems to be the methods used to catch McGrath,not what he was doing. Why is that? There is more than two sides. I don't think ANYONE condones cheating however there is a common theme that the application of the rules (inadequate that they are) are done so inconsistently. To me that is an indication of ineptitude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Prefer not to Chief but i am pretty sure that one of Mehe's earlier comments is pretty much libelous should it be contested in court For saying the RIU are dishonest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: There is more than two sides. I don't think ANYONE condones cheating however there is a common theme that the application of the rules (inadequate that they are) are done so inconsistently. To me that is an indication of ineptitude. I guess my view is colored by the fact I defended mcgrath not along ago in regard to the riu actions, so to find out he was tubing has been a major let down for the Industry as he has had some quality horses and has been a good trainer and driver over the years, given the last couple of years and recent events plus the economic uncertainty of the future for all owners and trainers He may actually be relieved to get out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, whiplash smile said: He may actually be relieved to get out? Get out to what? He has been in harness for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: Get out to what? He has been in harness for a long time. Just saying in an Industry where survival is getting harder by the day, The financial and psychological stress of the last couple of years must take a toll and make you question the merits of battling away in an industry where you are number 1 on the news list for racefixing and doping. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, whiplash smile said: The financial and psychological stress of the last couple of years must take a toll That must apply to quite a few trainers and drivers. Must weigh them down guilty or not guilty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Garrick Knight's latest tweet is interesting Edited April 12, 2020 by Taku Umanga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Garrick Knight @GarrickRKnight · 2h I can confirm that Police have laid a LARGE number of new charges in Operation Inca recently. And I mean large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Garrick Knight @GarrickRKnight · 2h I can confirm that Police have laid a LARGE number of new charges in Operation Inca recently. And I mean large. why have you changed your avatar to a picture of Brodie? Think he might have had enough shit lately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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