Rangatira Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: 2 in jewels after the derby plus the horse is unsound nearly back in business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rangatira said: nearly back in business horse or trainer??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, hunterthepunter said: horse or trainer??? wranglers lil bro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I have given this some long thought - not arguing he did wrong and if the case report is correct it is hard for anyone to dispute - but verses serious crimes heard in a higher court ( High Court ) than the JCA the punishment is too hard. He did not commit murder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, LongOwner said: the JCA the punishment is too hard. correct it is very much out of whack and that doesn't take into account the price he has had to pay due to the much flawed racing "of dubious integrity" units initiated/supported operation inca i can see why pip hall QC suggested a fine Edited July 10, 2020 by Rangatira 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 8/07/2020 at 8:40 PM, the galah said: Not RIU biased. I have been critical of the RIU for a long time for the lip service they paid to those who said they didn't do enough to detect the use of performance enhancers. Even on multiple occasions i had posted asking why they didn't use surveillance to gather evidence of wrongdoing,as they do in australia. I'm consistent,even if i do annoy some. The dope smoking comment? Beats me what i would have to do with that. .Your loyal to mcgrath,loyalty is a good quality,i'll give you that. 8 years for" no evidence of any wrong doing". I think your take lacks a bit of perspective. If you look at what Jeff gural,meadowlands owner,is saying about the big scandel in america regarding the use of performance enhancers.He's saying testing is not the most effective way to gather evidence of illegal activity.He says it must be done in conjunction with Surveillance,wire taps,using private investigators,working with federal authorities etc. Thats the way of the future if you want o catch those that cheat. He should know as he has been a crusader on this topic for years.Thats my final comment on this topic. Watching far too much CSI. Assumes the "cheaters" don't watch the same programmes. A few burner cell phones and it's all sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: i can see why pip hall QC suggested a fine should only been a fine . just goes to show the ego of ex copper and the motel cleaner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Noodlum said: Watching far too much CSI. Assumes the "cheaters" don't watch the same programmes. A few burner cell phones and it's all sweet. Maybe you should have told all those caught in the USA about that. Obviously those cheaters not up with the play like you are.. 12 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: should only been a fine . just goes to show the ego of ex copper and the motel cleaner Were they sitting on the JCA that decided the penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, the galah said: Maybe you should have told all those caught in the USA about that. Obviously those cheaters not up with the play like you are.. Were they sitting on the JCA that decided the penalty? you tell me as your one or them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, the galah said: Were they sitting on the JCA that decided the penalty? No but didn't the RIU push for 10 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 27 minutes ago, the galah said: Maybe you should have told all those caught in the USA about that. Obviously those cheaters not up with the play like you are.. Obviously our training lot are more intelligent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: you tell me as your one or them I actually agree that the penalty was a bit too harsh. But whether he would have it reduced if he chooses to appeal the sentence i guess is open to debate. Tell me,do you think he did this type of pre race activity often,or do you think it was a one off and he just decided to do it at a time when he must have known he was under close scrutiny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, the galah said: Tell me,do you think he did this type of pre race activity often,or do you think it was a one off and he just decided to do it at a time when he must have known he was under close scrutiny? just on that black friday according to the jca report 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 hours ago, the galah said: I actually agree that the penalty was a bit too harsh. But whether he would have it reduced if he chooses to appeal the sentence i guess is open to debate. Tell me,do you think he did this type of pre race activity often,or do you think it was a one off and he just decided to do it at a time when he must have known he was under close scrutiny? stable never has done anything of what you are saying . and horses are swabed all the time and pre race blood tested and nz testing is world class 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 On 10/07/2020 at 7:59 PM, Noodlum said: Obviously you backed something else. Didnt have a bet in race, have watched it several times, amazing effort, but even someone connected to the stable like you, must be wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I have no problem with penalty, the only reason it looks light, is the fact that others have got off easily in the past. So many have been charged in previous years, then tab wonder why punters are leaving the game??? No wonder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 4 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: stable never has done anything of what you are saying . and horses are swabed all the time and pre race blood tested and nz testing is world class Same rules apply for the All Stars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 37 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Same rules apply for the All Stars? all about the application who debuted the same night as you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: Same rules apply for the All Stars? gatted drive way no hedges 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 11 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: gatted drive way no hedges Probably got motion detectors and intrusion alarms. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Noodlum said: Probably got motion detectors and intrusion alarms. THE UNTOUCHABLES THAT STABLE 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 11/07/2020 at 1:51 PM, the galah said: Tell me,do you think he did this type of pre race activity often, at Seadown??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I dont think Nigel will worry too much. Many trainers have been in same boat, owners stick with them, transfers horses to mates or cuzzies, they will still be involved. The list is huge that have been charged for dodgy offences, mind boggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Newmarket said: cuzzies, rangatira stable is full can't take any more horses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said: rangatira stable is full can't take any more horses 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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