Stakes

[nomates]

7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Not necessarily.  Winnie and the industry's great leaders on the phone and some good rationale arguments and you could do it.  Surely our industry leadership was prepared for this eventuality and had strategic plans in preparation?

Why should Ruakaka take one for the team AGAIN?  When they have already given an arm and a leg.  It is simple.  Is transporting horses on a horse float any different to transporting potatoes and onions from Pukekohe to Northland?

I agree with your argument , but do you trust them to get it done , i don't , so in the best interests of all make sure this meeting goes ahead . If this meeting ends up getting canned it will down to pure mismanagement . I feel for Ruakaka but this is a no brainer .

[nomates]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Not necessarily.  Winnie and the industry's great leaders on the phone and some good rationale arguments and you could do it.  Surely our industry leadership was prepared for this eventuality and had strategic plans in preparation?

Why should Ruakaka take one for the team AGAIN?  When they have already given an arm and a leg.  It is simple.  Is transporting horses on a horse float any different to transporting potatoes and onions from Pukekohe to Northland?

Well Ruakaka gone . Going to put on a replacement meeting next week . Why could this meeting have been xfered to somewhere south of Auckland to give participants a race meeting . Yet again B Saundry takes the easy option instead of working in the best interests of owners/trainers and jockeys . I can't believe xfering this meeting would have taken much to organize . Seriously disappointing decision .

[curious]

https://loveracing.nz/News/30864/Havealisten-BernardSaundry.aspx

[All The Aces]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

Well Ruakaka gone . Going to put on a replacement meeting next week . Why could this meeting have been xfered to somewhere south of Auckland to give participants a race meeting . Yet again B Saundry takes the easy option instead of working in the best interests of owners/trainers and jockeys . I can't believe xfering this meeting would have taken much to organize . Seriously disappointing decision .

 

Foxton    

No road blocks when I went through there today.    

[Freda]

13 hours ago, nomates said:

Well Ruakaka gone . Going to put on a replacement meeting next week . Why could this meeting have been xfered to somewhere south of Auckland to give participants a race meeting . Yet again B Saundry takes the easy option instead of working in the best interests of owners/trainers and jockeys . I can't believe xfering this meeting would have taken much to organize . Seriously disappointing decision .

You wouldn't think so.

However, on one occasion, when the weather precluded a day's racing on the West Coast, the offer from another local club to host that day was scuttled by the TAB's refusal to oblige.   Reckoned they couldn't shift operations at such a short notice.

 [This was not the same situation as more recently, when Reefton's kind offer was refused by Kumara.]

Edited August 12, 2020 by Freda

[All The Aces]

20 hours ago, nomates said:

Well Ruakaka gone . Going to put on a replacement meeting next week . Why could this meeting have been xfered to somewhere south of Auckland to give participants a race meeting . Yet again B Saundry takes the easy option instead of working in the best interests of owners/trainers and jockeys . I can't believe xfering this meeting would have taken much to organize . Seriously disappointing decision .

Egg on face time I would think.

New meeting scheduled for Taupo on Wednesday.

[nomates]

3 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

Egg on face time I would think.

New meeting scheduled for Taupo on Wednesday.

Can't you read , i said that in my first sentence , my point was why wasn't the meeting xfered to be held on Sat . All the work is done , just needed a different track . Turnover wont be the same as if held on a Sat .

[Reefton]

9 hours ago, Freda said:

You wouldn't think so.

However, on one occasion, when the weather precluded a day's racing on the West Coast, the offer from another local club to host that day was scuttled by the TAB's refusal to oblige.   Reckoned they couldn't shift operations at such a short notice.

 [This was not the same situation as more recently, when Reefton's kind offer was refused by Kumara.]

yes and it wasn't particularly short notice either - fair go it was at least four or five days before the meeting.  They reckoned their truck drivers would exceed their hours(wrong excuse when the Club who had two truck drivers and a transport operator on the Committee) 

[All The Aces]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

Can't you read , i said that in my first sentence , my point was why wasn't the meeting xfered to be held on Sat . All the work is done , just needed a different track . Turnover wont be the same as if held on a Sat .

What other tracks, they have all been raced on recently and have up coming meetings.  

[nomates]

8 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

What other tracks, they have all been raced on recently and have up coming meetings.  

Well let me see , a cpl of weeks back they raced at Avondale on the Wed and went back on the Sat when Puke wasn't up to it , so why not straight back to Taupo on Sat , seems it didn't take too much of a bash yesterday and they are moving the rail for Wed . 

Are you another racing exec trying to protect your species . I'm arguing for industry participants , where do your loyalties lie ?

 

[Joe Bloggs]

4 hours ago, nomates said:

Well let me see , a cpl of weeks back they raced at Avondale on the Wed and went back on the Sat when Puke wasn't up to it , so why not straight back to Taupo on Sat , seems it didn't take too much of a bash yesterday and they are moving the rail for Wed . 

Are you another racing exec trying to protect your species . I'm arguing for industry participants , where do your loyalties lie ?

 

I reckon he's a little bald fella with an Aussie twang.

[Joe Bloggs]

Any owners out there questioning why you are racing for 10k in a R65 SAT at Awapuni?

I bet when you accepted for the race you had no idea this would be your fate....if you did and you accept it, you know what comes next.

How bloody deplorable, only the sycophants and easy beats would put up with that, I wont, I promise you...in fact I'll make a decision tomorrow to vote with my feet and pull the remaining horses we have there out, and onto Oz....much to the sadness and resignation of our struggling young trainer.

Once the money runs out for stakes in a few months how many more will follow......you poor buggers, if the trainer wont speak up, do it yourselves...if you've got any......how the hell did it come to this, wool over eyes resonate perhaps?

[Freda]

Yep.  And ' draft ' calendars are out for October onwards with no races depicted apart from black type ones, and no stakes shown either.

Surely I'm not the only one with misgivings here.

[Bid]

8 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Any owners out there questioning why you are racing for 10k in a R65 SAT at Awapuni?

 

I had one nominated in it, it was known when the noms come out so you had the chance to withdraw or stay in and run in the 10k race if you chose to. I pulled out because mine was out of its grade as I only entered because it was a 25k pearl series race and just on the off chance it was small field.  I disagree with your general comments about it, I think it is a good idea that you at least get a chance to run albeit for the smaller stake as it is still more than what you'll earn running around the paddock at home. Only thing I recon is if you were to win you should only go to rt65 and not have to go up to the next grade. 

[Joe Bloggs]

Then you're rewarding mediocrity Bid, that attitude of defeatism is why you're in this mess. You knew you were going to race for 10k in all probability? did you warn your owners, and they were happy? The Pearl series is a joke in itself, do yourself a favour and read the QTIS bonus series and see how that runs, and just remember QLD has a smaller population than NZ......have a look at the pay up system for that, Oh and BOBS in NSW while you're at it.

If you have a SAT class horse and you'll race for what we race for at NON TABS 1000k from BNE then you've got rocks for brains......as Freda alluded to, why would an owner commit to racing one or 14 there when the authorities wont/can't advertise a stakes program going forward.

If you are a small owner/trainer with a business to prop you up, things are slightly different, but don't tell me who's sunk more than two million into racing in NZ that ''you accept it because it beats standing in a paddock' God almighty Bid, I'm nearly 70 and I'll never ever see NZ back to anything like it used to be....I cry for the place I knew well before you were born.

[Noodlum]

1 hour ago, Bid said:

I had one nominated in it, it was known when the noms come out so you had the chance to withdraw or stay in and run in the 10k race if you chose to.

The point is Bid that it is a Saturday race and yet again NZTR have manipulated the Stakes setup.  If they are intent on tiered stakes why the hell flip flop when it suits?

1 hour ago, Bid said:

Only thing I recon is if you were to win you should only go to rt65 and not have to go up to the next grade. 

That's a nonsense as well.  It makes the assumption that if a race is worth more than the class of horse is better!  It is irrelevant when it comes to handicapping a horse!!!!  What's more is sends the wrong message to punters.  "Oh don't bet on Tuesday races at Awapuni they are crap horses - Saturday races at Awapuni are better class!"  What a nonsense.

[Bid]

4 hours ago, Noodlum said:

The point is Bid that it is a Saturday race and yet again NZTR have manipulated the Stakes setup.  If they are intent on tiered stakes why the hell flip flop when it suits?

That's a nonsense as well.  It makes the assumption that if a race is worth more than the class of horse is better!  It is irrelevant when it comes to handicapping a horse!!!!  What's more is sends the wrong message to punters.  "Oh don't bet on Tuesday races at Awapuni they are crap horses - Saturday races at Awapuni are better class!"  What a nonsense.

But there will be 14 horses who won't get a run, so they plan to go to New Plymouth next week or Hawera the week later so then putting more pressure on those meetings as there are already horses targeting those days, if they are low rated they once again miss out there so end up being several weeks without getting a run. 

I do think they should be advertising it pre nominations that if there were big noms then the lower graded horses would be running for the lower stake. 

[Bid]

5 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

'you accept it because it beats standing in a paddock' 

It's a case of having to run for all those horses in that race or risk not getting a run for weeks on end.  I didn't pay up because I know we can get a run next week  where most of those who did pay up might not. My owners and myself decided to only chucked in a nom on the  off chance they got bugger all and have a go at the bonus race.  

Fortunately they have added another meeting in at Otaki in a couple of weeks so that should help things. 

[Noodlum]

12 minutes ago, Bid said:

My owners and myself decided to only chucked in a nom on the  off chance they got bugger all and have a go at the bonus race.  

But you are making an assumption that the race next week will be easier when it very well may not be.

Unless of course your are nominating outside the horse's class which is silly anyway as our handicapping system will cane you.

[Noodlum]

28 minutes ago, Bid said:

But there will be 14 horses who won't get a run, so they plan to go to New Plymouth next week or Hawera the week later so then putting more pressure on those meetings as there are already horses targeting those days, if they are low rated they once again miss out there so end up being several weeks without getting a run. 

That isn't the point.  According to the rules horse's who race on a Saturday are supposedly worth more than those who race during the week.  It is inconsistent and is giving the finger to those racing horse's.

[Joe Bloggs]

38 minutes ago, Bid said:

But there will be 14 horses who won't get a run, so they plan to go to New Plymouth next week or Hawera the week later so then putting more pressure on those meetings as there are already horses targeting those days, if they are low rated they once again miss out there so end up being several weeks without getting a run. 

I do think they should be advertising it pre nominations that if there were big noms then the lower graded horses would be running for the lower stake. 

They should have Bid, but they didn't, they show no respect to owners, therefore we had to break the news to our terrific young trainer this morning that he will be one short as ours is booked on the outward bound flight.....2 to follow.

[Bid]

11 minutes ago, Noodlum said:

That isn't the point.  According to the rules horse's who race on a Saturday are supposedly worth more than those who race during the week.  It is inconsistent and is giving the finger to those racing horse's.

May not be the point but talk to anyone who has a horse not getting a start for several weeks and paying training fees and they'd be more than happy to be running. If anything it's the opposite to giving them the finger, to me it's saying sorry we can't cater for your horse in your specified race but you can have this option if you like. 

[barryb]

2 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

They should have Bid, but they didn't, they show no respect to owners, therefore we had to break the news to our terrific young trainer this morning that he will be one short as ours is booked on the outward bound flight.....2 to follow.

They are probably delighted you are going, I could imagine you constantly trying to train them from afar.

[Joe Bloggs]

 I imagine you imagining anything would be remarkable, ask your trainer if I trained from afar, at least now if I whinge the buck stops with me. All we did was try and support young talent there, and Ms R who sits just outside the young but nowhere near the old......the pale stale males are what ruined racing, and the young ones are suffering, what future do they have.

If NZTR are delighted we are going, then so be it Barry,  when you've tipped in what we have supporting the lost cause of NZ racing, let me know, I'll buy you a diamond bike.

[barryb]

2 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

If NZTR are delighted we are going, then so be it Barry,  when you've tipped in what we have supporting the lost cause of NZ racing, let me know, I'll buy you a diamond bike.

I don't intend to be that much of a slow learner,  looks like I wont be getting a bike.