JJ Flash Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 14 hours ago, Brodie said: The Punters Pass is one of a range of systems and processes the TAB has put in place to comply with legislative changes to the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 (AML/CFT). Just for you Chief, albeit that like most things it will never be enough for you. Read this Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 (AML/CFT).Its about the length of war and peace but you seem to have plenty of spare time by the looks of it. PS , can you send me your phone or email address, now that you have taken away my PM function i am not able to help you like i did when you had your meltdown about outing all your secret stuff about other channel. Wisely and possibly after my PM advice you pulled that thread as no good was ever going to come from your suggested option IMHO. No law fees either. Please fell free to have the last say on the AML matter. If you cant get it then im not wasting my time on it with you any further Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Just for you Chief, albeit that like most things it will never be enough for you. Read this Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 (AML/CFT).Its about the length of war and peace but you seem to have plenty of spare time by the looks of it. Unlike you I have read the ACT and have also had extensive work experience implementing systems to comply with the AML Act. That's why I know a). you haven't read the Act; b). you don't understand it; c). when it comes to the TAB's implementation of it you know shyte. 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: PS , can you send me your phone or email address, now that you have taken away my PM function i am not able to help you like i did when you had your meltdown about outing all your secret stuff about other channel. Wisely and possibly after my PM advice you pulled that thread as no good was ever going to come from your suggested option IMHO. No law fees either. Don't let your ego get in the way of reality. You are the last person I would go to seeking help. Do you want me to repost what I said to you in response to your advice? As for legal threats well that is part and parcel of providing a platform for ALL to post on - including you. In that regard I generally have more on those that threaten than they have on me. 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Please fell free to have the last say on the AML matter. If you cant get it then im not wasting my time on it with you any further That's your standard response when you have been spanked. You post disinformation, asked to provide the evidence and then run and hide. You wonder why you don't have any credibility! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 23 hours ago, whiplash smile said: What other countries have bookies that are going broke??? It turns out Looking at what centrebet set sports odds at and then copying them isnt working out??? Restrict the winners and then we will have only losers!!!! GEE WILIKERS BATMAN thats a genius!!!! .... to the batmobile a.s.a.p but first lets stop off for a $750 celebratory lunch first!!! As for Churchill he stumbled over a lot of things! most notably the furniture as he was a notoriously depressed chronic alcoholic!!! Brodie doesnt drink alcohol, its bad for his complexion, A kale and wheatgrass smoothie is his choice if your shouting! So again, you have no answer that relies on even a nodding acquaintance with facts? Just hyperbole and red herrings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 5 hours ago, JJ Flash said: The previous management team agreed to it after consultations with DIA. As i posted earlier its the law despite what some think. Personally i think 10K would be a more reasonable amount but that's not happening at this stage. Greg Greg, yes the previous management dickheads did agree to kt after thats what they wanted. The DIA didnt want it that low and the TAB decided to implement it as a way to control all their punters. The TAB doesnt give all the punters that collect or,lffload a $1000 do they????? No they dont and the DIA will only want to know biggest punters. They are absolute clowns to still have this $1k policy as it is costing them big time. The Casino would be easier to launder money and They wont be inplimenting the $1k policy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Do you want me to repost what I said to you in response to your advice? A Given i never saw it please do. 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: You wonder why you don't have any credibility! Thats your Happy ,Whippitout and Brain deads opinion, so cant be taken as gospel. But like Cindy if you and the dogs say it often enough others may think its actually true. I just get bored arguing with you as I find you arrogant and to have a superior always right attitude. Good job you pulled your meltdown thread, wise move and congrats for getting that right . 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: You are the last person I would go to seeking help. Im pleased about that as i wont offer again. Lets see how far you go with your free speech motto on here. Its clear your refusal to let me use the PM function is not in keeping with your ideals Edited August 9, 2020 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: . I just get bored arguing with you as I find you arrogant and to have a superior always right attitude. Yet you keep coming back? Bit of pot kettle black in the second part of this quote. The difference is our posts stand up to analysis and scrutiny. You fail to back yours up with any facts. 22 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Good job you pulled your meltdown thread, wise move and congrats for getting that right . Decided to keep my powder dry. Hasn't stopped Comic Dog from getting lawyers on the job. Am I worried? No. So don't take any credit for anything. 24 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Lets see how far you go with your free speech motto on here. Its clear your refusal to let me use the PM function is not in keeping with your ideals What's allowing you to use the PM function on BOAY got to do with free speech? From what I've been told it is used as a tool by those not brave enough to say what they think in public and use it for ulterior motives. Hesi was in that class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Thats your Happy ,Whippitout and Brain deads opinion, so cant be taken as gospel. You stir wherever you go with your own arrogance and brown nosing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 11 hours ago, JJ Flash said: The previous management team agreed to it after consultations with DIA. As i posted earlier its the law despite what some think. Personally i think 10K would be a more reasonable amount but that's not happening at this stage. Greg So with all your righteous comments and pure than Jesus implied behaviour you admit TAB set the limit well below the act/law required which you keep reverting back too. The management of the TAB say/admit it cost them turnover but forget to say they set the very low unrealistic level. The whole mess is TAB made . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) On 8/08/2020 at 1:53 PM, JJ Flash said: I was helping out someone at the time of its removal You clearly are not going to and simply trolling every post i make so dont worry about it . As for your earlier challenge when i was responding to Brodies post , note Brodie not you " 1 August 2019 From 1 August 2019 customers of the TAB who want to bet or collect $1,000 or more at a TAB site or at a race meeting will be required by law to verify themselves using their TAB account or ‘Punters Pass’ - a card the TAB issues to customers who use cash and have had their identity previously verified. The Punters Pass is one of a range of systems and processes the TAB has put in place to comply with legislative changes to the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009 (AML/CFT). “Over the past twelve months the TAB has been working hard to understand where our risks of money laundering are, in preparation for meeting the requirements of the new legislation,” says TAB General Manager Customer Gary Woodham. Gary Woodham & JJ Flash The law did not say it had to be $1000 - you set that figure! You state it is “ required by law ... “ - a big shame you didn’t tell the truth and you set this very low figure. One half decent trifecta collect and you want to own me - so my piss all low amount punt is half what it used to be as I believe in free speech and not having to tell everyone what I do . WOKE gives me the shits , be kind is not in my makeup and nor does the TAB telling me what to do when the law didn’t tell them to set $1k ! So JJFkash stop embellishing the facts! Edited August 9, 2020 by LongOwner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 12 hours ago, JJ Flash said: AML not likely to be high on the list of reasons Brodie. A few of the bigger players i know gave up after the Nelson INCA race whilst others got the stitch over continual bad press,associated integrity issues and poor governance at the top table . Sad but true. TB"s clean sheet so to speak has seen them hold their own and attract some new participants. One only has to look at the momentum of BGP and their impact on turnover. Greg Greg or JJ Flash The above is so not balanced - RIU have a witch hunt ethos going on and a Court higher than any - failed junior driver , embarrassed very average cop( s), no qualifications others and the worst administrator in racing in Australasia who all think they are better than everyone else - rule which says rubbish RIU. The unprofessional behaviour is the RIU and not who you may think. The Press articles , again feed by internal RIU staff and jealous trainers who do not and never will have many winners as they are average at best - have no balance . Where is the investigative journalism on why the Inca case was made up of smoke and mirrors started by a couple of small time players and cost you , me and every taxpayer $10 mill plus for a few party pills ! Your are so one eyed . 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Questions. So if the stakes are reduced for harness racing due to lower turnover should the meetings which do not attract betting should be canned? Why persist with meetings which do not generate? Should revenue generation not be the most important factor in removing race days from the calendar? Are the clubs who have been removed poor performers? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 12 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Questions. So if the stakes are reduced for harness racing due to lower turnover should the meetings which do not attract betting should be canned? Why persist with meetings which do not generate? Should revenue generation not be the most important factor in removing race days from the calendar? Are the clubs who have been removed poor performers? Those metrics appear to have nothing to do with closing down tracks. Same with Thoroughbred tracks. Seems more who you know than your performance. Ask Flash why he has all the answers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 14 hours ago, LongOwner said: Gary Woodham & JJ Flash The law did not say it had to be $1000 - you set that figure! You state it is “ required by law ... “ - a big shame you didn’t tell the truth and you set this very low figure. One half decent trifecta collect and you want to own me - so my piss all low amount punt is half what it used to be as I believe in free speech and not having to tell everyone what I do . WOKE gives me the shits , be kind is not in my makeup and nor does the TAB telling me what to do when the law didn’t tell them to set $1k ! So JJFkash stop embellishing the facts! The law is about "money laundering" - I guess that's why it is in the Act's name. So it is about large amounts of cash supposedly gained through illegal activities being put through systems to legitimise it. The TAB just isn't a very good mechanism for doing that. At best all you can expect is to get 17% of your money back washed. Na - the TAB are using to the AML to justify other things - what they are who knows. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Noodlum said: The law is about "money laundering" - I guess that's why it is in the Act's name. So it is about large amounts of cash supposedly gained through illegal activities being put through systems to legitimise it. The TAB just isn't a very good mechanism for doing that. At best all you can expect is to get 17% of your money back washed. Na - the TAB are using to the AML to justify other things - what they are who knows. Noodlum, what they are is quite obvious. The hierarchy of the TAB who are all grossly overpaid for what they actually do for racing in NZ, dont want anyone making money on betting! Anyone who is a consistent winner gets restricted so much that it really isnt worth their while. They have been doing this for many years now and they wonder why turnover is not growing? They want control over every punter and that is why the $1k limit was brought in, and dont believe the BS that it was the DIA that wanted it! FFS, how is someone winning $1k money laundering?? They advertise that they are concerned for people with gambling problems! What a load of bollacks! All they want is people with gambling problems and that is punters who lose! No it is not an even playing field when it comes to the TAB!! The NZ taxpayer has had to bail the TAB out or all of their employees would now be at the WINZ offices, and yet we have not heard a single thing from the hierarchy in this regard. They continue to collect their massive salaries on the basis that they continue to have only losing punters wagering with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 58 minutes ago, Brodie said: Noodlum, what they are is quite obvious. The hierarchy of the TAB who are all grossly overpaid for what they actually do for racing in NZ, dont want anyone making money on betting! Anyone who is a consistent winner gets restricted so much that it really isnt worth their while. They have been doing this for many years now and they wonder why turnover is not growing? They want control over every punter and that is why the $1k limit was brought in, and dont believe the BS that it was the DIA that wanted it! FFS, how is someone winning $1k money laundering?? They advertise that they are concerned for people with gambling problems! What a load of bollacks! All they want is people with gambling problems and that is punters who lose! No it is not an even playing field when it comes to the TAB!! The NZ taxpayer has had to bail the TAB out or all of their employees would now be at the WINZ offices, and yet we have not heard a single thing from the hierarchy in this regard. They continue to collect their massive salaries on the basis that they continue to have only losing punters wagering with them. Well no betting site will survive if everybody wins,as for your statement all they want are people with gambling problems and losers,probably,the wall to wall racing and driving turnover obsession is how these places stay afloat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I do find the guy at the tab reading out all the bets before a race pointless,what interest is it to me if some guys put 500 on a race,as much interest as some guy putting 2 bucks ,maybe the odd big bet like a multi that needs 1 more win or a big bet on a major sports event but not just all these pre race wagers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Questions. So if the stakes are reduced for harness racing due to lower turnover should the meetings which do not attract betting should be canned? Why persist with meetings which do not generate? Should revenue generation not be the most important factor in removing race days from the calendar? Are the clubs who have been removed poor performers? This is where clubs like Forbury are hindered,poor dates poor fields,can you blame them entirely for the situation?I notice Manawatu have the thursday night before Easter,a good night normally but addington race at same time I think so which clubs will be pushed into background,can you tell me. I'm not sure though if you get a different payout by sharing the same day as maybe cost are less as in running on own,does anybody know? Edited August 10, 2020 by mikeynz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) Forbury have about 5 of those winter thursday meetings,will they be better than the invercargill thursday day meetings,sometimes day racing might be better to get the early money/interest,often by the time Forbury fires up lots have had their quota of racing for the day,something else to consider. And having said that are southern thursday meetings better than sundays,we never get to see the figures these days,sometimes interest has declined on sunday. Edited August 10, 2020 by mikeynz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Forbury have about 5 of those winter thursday meetings,will they be better than the invercargill thursday day meetings,sometimes day racing might be better to get the early money/interest,often by the time Forbury fires up lots have had their quota of racing for the day,something else to consider. And having said that are southern thursday meetings better than sundays,we never get to see the figures these days,sometimes interest has declined on sunday. Good points. I am coming from the angle of the clubs who have lost dates and I wonder if it fair that a successful club disappears when they provide turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 17 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Questions. So if the stakes are reduced for harness racing due to lower turnover should the meetings which do not attract betting should be canned? Why persist with meetings which do not generate? Should revenue generation not be the most important factor in removing race days from the calendar? Are the clubs who have been removed poor performers? Another way of looking at things is that clubs pay stakes based on turnover,if you look at aussie a lot of horses racing for 4 and 5 thousand stakes,they still turn up.So why not in nz,does it matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikeynz said: I do find the guy at the tab reading out all the bets before a race pointless,what interest is it to me if some guys put 500 on a race,as much interest as some guy putting 2 bucks ,maybe the odd big bet like a multi that needs 1 more win or a big bet on a major sports event but not just all these pre race wagers. Mikey, it is pointless when he is quoting bets of $150, It is clearly showing that they are not Bookies anymore. Bookies take bets I thought and offloaded what they didnt want. These punters that are allowed to get 1 or 2 thousand on are extremely privileged, compared to other punters who can get buggerall on!! The TAB have always got the advantage over the punters with The odds they offer, however they do not seem to realise this by encouraging punters to have a go! What is the point of The Bookies offering odds that are just not worthwhile or competitive. They want people to also bet on the tote bUt by driving punters away then they will Not get tote betting either. This obviously reduces the pools and the dividends on the tote nowadays are Also pretty short. Everyone is allowed to choose what they do with their money, however you will find that they have other priorities than gambling, if they are not offering fair value! Edited August 10, 2020 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) Phil Holden talking to David Di Somma this week once again, has given me absolutely no confidence in our CEO of HRNZ! Do not think he could negotiate anything at all, and god help harness racing if this is the best that they can do!!! why in earth Ken Spicer decided he was the best he could get is definitely puzzling! So far he has done not a single thing of benefit, and he is too soft to be in the CE position. He needs to grow some balls and go into bat for harness racing as his efforts on a variety of things has been woeful! Thats right, it wont worry him as he is on a big salary and will move on when things deteriorate, just like John Allen did! How is the enquiry into race 9 at Addington start going Phil? Edited August 12, 2020 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Brodie said: How is the enquiry into race 9 at Addington start going Phil? Brodie, it will be quite some time until this question gets answered. Phil only works a 6 hours shift every third day or something like that & there are more important things for him to be worried about during those long work hours. Order & consume morning smoko. Check emails. Look over the GRNZ website to see how well their going since he left. Order & consume lunch. Apply for additional board positions with organization most of us have never hear of. Those chores alone would make for a very hectic work day. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Order & consume morning smoko. Check emails. Look over the GRNZ website to see how well their going since he left. Order & consume lunch. Apply for additional board positions with organization most of us have never hear of. and talk inane rubbish in 'chatting with the chief' More fluff put out today. I won't post it as it is not worthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 Unfortunately for harness racing in NZ, he just hasnt got the ability to be constructive! I will take it that everyone agrees with me, unless someone posts something that says otherwise!! Ken Spicer, we understand that you appointed Mr Holden to this important position, and word is that it is only because he was a cobber of yours!!! If that is the reason Mr Spicer, you should resign your current position as it is totally dishonest, and should not be tolerated by Harness Racing NZ! Has Mr Holden got a vote of confidence from anyone apart from Mr Spicer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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