Brodie Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) Still we hear nothing in regards to the ridiculous standing start to race 9 on 9/8/2020!!!! HRNZ have not announced the result of this so called enquiry that was opened up on it, was this just BS???? Of course it is BS, as there is no need to have integrity if you are employed by certain members of the RIU!!!! CoMe on Mr Holden, you are now the permanent CEO of HRNZ, so seem you think you can do the job, come down hard on the starter, and show us all why you have the confidence of the HRNZ! We will take it that you Are not up to the position if we dont see any action!!!!! Edited August 21, 2020 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Still we hear nothing in regards to the ridiculous standing start to race 9 on 9/8/2020!!!! HRNZ have not announced the result of this so called enquiry that was opened up on it, was this just BS???? Of course it is BS, as there is no need to have integrity if you are employed by certain members of the RIU!!!! CoMe on Mr Holden, you are now the permanent CEO of HRNZ, so seem you think you can do the job, come down hard on the starter, and show us all why you have the confidence of the HRNZ! We will take it that you Are not up to the position if we dont see any action!!!!! not on the money once again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, Rangatira said: not on the money once again Ranga, lf course Imam always on the money! Where is the enquiry report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brodie said: Ranga, lf course Imam always on the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Don't hold ya breath for a reply. They are arrogant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Honestjohn said: Don't hold ya breath for a reply. They are arrogant. but not involved Edited August 22, 2020 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, Honestjohn said: Don't hold ya breath for a reply. They are arrogant. Not arrogant,more like incompetent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: but not involved Ranga, the Stewards said that they had opened up an enquiry into the start of race 9 standing start on 9/8/2020 due to the fact that it was not an acceptable standard! That was 2 weeks ago Ranga, and we have not heard a thing since !! Incompetence is clearly acceptable from HRNZ employees but an amateur or Junior gets hammered?? Ranga, we wait with baited breath to see what absolute BS comes out or they may bring out nothing! Very transparent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Arrogant was how I found Rennell, completely arrogant and lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, Brodie said: Ranga, the Stewards said that they had opened up an enquiry into the start of race 9 standing start on 9/8/2020 due to the fact that it was not an acceptable standard! That was 2 weeks ago Ranga, and we have not heard a thing since !! Incompetence is clearly acceptable from HRNZ employees but an amateur or Junior gets hammered?? Ranga, we wait with baited breath to see what absolute BS comes out or they may bring out nothing! Very transparent! I saw that race, I've seen worse, a lot worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 It is out!! The enquiry into the start has been reviewed and you can read it in the stewards report to todays racing. Very verbose and actually good to see that they admit that it was not good enough! On that basis why was jt not declared a no race? There was error on everyones part, starter, starters assistants and drivers apparently!!!! Who was it that yelled HAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYY? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 NZ Metro TC - Sunday, 9th August 2020 Race 9 - CUP WEEK HOSPITALITY ON SALE PACE Stewards have concluded an investigation into the start of Race 9 at the NZMTC meeting at Addington on Sunday 9 August. As part of this investigation Stewards spoke with the Starter, his assistants, and several drivers with the intention of not only ascertaining the circumstances that caused the start to be effected in the manner in which it was, but also to agree what actions were needed to minimise the possibility of a repeat occurrence. Stewards in the first instance sought the opinion of Starter Peter Lamb as to why the field were released when several runners had not been brought up into their correct position. Mr Lamb explained that due to the capacity field size he had split the horses into three circles as per standard procedure. It was his opinion that, when called into line each driver had ample opportunity to correctly address the barrier but some were either slow to react or reluctant to do so, and so as not to disadvantage the horses that had been correctly brought up, he released the tape. With the benefit of Stewards replays Mr Lamb conceded the 2nd row horses had not been afforded the desirable amount of time to take up their correct positions ultimately meaning they had to start further back than should be reasonably expected. The replays also showed some drivers either granted their horses some additional time when circling prior to being called up as instructed or were unusually slow to react to the instructions of the Starter when appearing to have time to turn in or move up into their starting position. After considering their explanations the drivers were advised it was expected in future they make a more positive contribution to the pre-race formation and ensure they are more obviously attempting to bring their runners up into a straight line in a timely manner. Stewards discussed with Mr Lamb whether his viewing platform should be relocated but it was agreed that to move the platform could potentially raise other issues for the starts from that point. Mr Lamb promoted the idea of his assistants taking a more proactive role in ensuring that horses, and in particular those on the 2nd row, were in the correct position as the front row was forming up. His race day crew were shown the film of this start and a discussion was held and agreement reached on what they could do to better aid the Starter and drivers in these circumstances. In conclusion, it was determined that several factors had contributed to what was both perceptively and in actuality a start which fell below the expected standard. It was accepted by those involved that for a start to be effective there needed to be a certain level of collaboration between the drivers, the Starter and his assistants. Whilst confident the current procedure was the best one to ensure as many horses get away in a fair manner, Mr Lamb took it upon himself in future to permit the second row more time to come up without adversely affecting the front line horses who traditionally have to wait. In conjunction with this, drivers must ensure they react at all times in a timely manner to any instruction given at the start of a race and non-compliance with this may result in the Stewards issuing charges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Just now, Happy Sunrise said: It was his opinion that, when called into line each driver had ample opportunity to correctly address the barrier but some were either slow to react or reluctant to do so, and so as not to disadvantage the horses that had been correctly brought up, he released the tape. This is the only rubbish bit in it. As a starter he should make sure the race starts fairly and if drivers do not comply they get spoken to or fined etc. It is not in the hands of the starter to independently judge the actions of drivers before the start which he can therefore interpret and in turn allow a start which is not fair for punters. That is heading into race fixing perceptions. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 amazing how you got away with things when it is one of your own 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 The point is that the paid starter said that he was happy with the position of all the runners! The starter effed up and it was not a fair start! If a driver or trainer does something wrong they are very often fined or Suspended! Clearly it doesnt matter what HRNZ employees do, they are are above reproach Apparently. Dont tell the starter that he is not up to scratch! Blame the drivers and now we can fine them as they were the ones at fault!! Watch this space, the continuation of effed up starts will continue and we should get rid of them, certainly the sprints!!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 On 23/08/2020 at 8:13 PM, Happy Sunrise said: NZ Metro TC - Sunday, 9th August 2020 Race 9 - CUP WEEK HOSPITALITY ON SALE PACE Stewards have concluded an investigation into the start of Race 9 at the NZMTC meeting at Addington on Sunday 9 August. As part of this investigation Stewards spoke with the Starter, his assistants, and several drivers with the intention of not only ascertaining the circumstances that caused the start to be effected in the manner in which it was, but also to agree what actions were needed to minimise the possibility of a repeat occurrence. Stewards in the first instance sought the opinion of Starter Peter Lamb as to why the field were released when several runners had not been brought up into their correct position. Mr Lamb explained that due to the capacity field size he had split the horses into three circles as per standard procedure. It was his opinion that, when called into line each driver had ample opportunity to correctly address the barrier but some were either slow to react or reluctant to do so, and so as not to disadvantage the horses that had been correctly brought up, he released the tape. With the benefit of Stewards replays Mr Lamb conceded the 2nd row horses had not been afforded the desirable amount of time to take up their correct positions ultimately meaning they had to start further back than should be reasonably expected. The replays also showed some drivers either granted their horses some additional time when circling prior to being called up as instructed or were unusually slow to react to the instructions of the Starter when appearing to have time to turn in or move up into their starting position. After considering their explanations the drivers were advised it was expected in future they make a more positive contribution to the pre-race formation and ensure they are more obviously attempting to bring their runners up into a straight line in a timely manner. Stewards discussed with Mr Lamb whether his viewing platform should be relocated but it was agreed that to move the platform could potentially raise other issues for the starts from that point. Mr Lamb promoted the idea of his assistants taking a more proactive role in ensuring that horses, and in particular those on the 2nd row, were in the correct position as the front row was forming up. His race day crew were shown the film of this start and a discussion was held and agreement reached on what they could do to better aid the Starter and drivers in these circumstances. In conclusion, it was determined that several factors had contributed to what was both perceptively and in actuality a start which fell below the expected standard. It was accepted by those involved that for a start to be effective there needed to be a certain level of collaboration between the drivers, the Starter and his assistants. Whilst confident the current procedure was the best one to ensure as many horses get away in a fair manner, Mr Lamb took it upon himself in future to permit the second row more time to come up without adversely affecting the front line horses who traditionally have to wait. In conjunction with this, drivers must ensure they react at all times in a timely manner to any instruction given at the start of a race and non-compliance with this may result in the Stewards issuing charges. So after the running of the Cup, based on this bullshit above from another Lamb mess the powers can do two things. 1. Sack the starter and his assistants. 2. Issue charges to drivers for not following the instructions of Lamb. I dare the stipes to take on the drivers over the shambles of the Cup start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 We have to have faith that the new CEO will sack him. Anyone seen Mr Phil Holden our current CEO??????? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 On 23/08/2020 at 9:34 PM, Brodie said: Clearly it doesnt matter what HRNZ employees do, they are are above reproach Apparently. Lamb is employed by the individual clubs. HRNZ has nothing to do with it Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Lamb is employed by the individual clubs. HRNZ has nothing to do with it Brodie So the clubs are gutless then! The industry needs to get rid of non-performers which aMr Lamb is! FFS why he wouldnt be a man and step down when there is so many is hard to understand? Is he broke and needs the money or is he just taking the piss? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Brodie said: So the clubs are gutless then! The industry needs to get rid of non-performers which aMr Lamb is! FFS why he wouldnt be a man and step down when there is so many is hard to understand? Is he broke and needs the money or is he just taking the piss? He needs a break at least. His starts, while always poor, have been worse this season. I don't know how old Lamb is? Perhaps he is past it, time catches up with all. The guy must be under a lot of pressure so give him a break and use the assistant starter on Show Day. I think most of us have lost money because Lamb botched the start. I put up with it because I love harness racing but it is bloody annoying. I'm not a big punter either. It must be frustrating for someone who puts a substantial bet on just to have the starter ruin the chances of the horse that they backed. Harness racing is struggling and punters will take their money elsewhere if Lamb continues to under perform. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Lamb is employed by the individual clubs. HRNZ has nothing to do with it Brodie I'm not sure that is 100% riiiiight Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Brodie said: FFS why he wouldnt be a man and step down when there is so many is hard to understand? he might not follow social media 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 just asking how would yesterday's cup panned out if there was a retention barn in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mikie said: I'm not sure that is 100% riiiiight Mikie I got that from NZMTC racing employee this morning Mike. Each club selects it own starter was how it was put to me and i asked if HRNZ had any influence - abrupt answer, no. Judging by his abruptness one might speculate that the club has been on the end of some negative stuff as a result of the Cups melee Greg Edited November 11, 2020 by JJ Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: I got that from NZMTC racing employee this morning Mike. Each club selects it own starter was how it was put to me and i asked if HRNZ had any influence - abrupt answer, no. Judging by his abruptness one might speculate that the club has been on the end of some negative stuff as a result of the Cups melee Greg Greg, personally dont care who employs him, whether it be HRNZ or the Clubs! Whoever it is needs to look at themselves in the mirror and rectify their stuff up! Doubt they will at the moment but I am sure the nee CEO in the New Year will sort it, as it is just pathetic the way it is! Ricky Donnelly is ready to step up but it seems like Lamb wants to go out all in good time, geez he must have a very thick skin! RIIIIIGHT!!!!! Dont worry there will be another poor start and the drivers will revolt! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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