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Would seem very odd, as it has been the NZ TAB that has totally stuffed NZ Racing over recent years due to the suits very poor decisions.

The TAB has stifled betting on harness racing in recent years and then now HRNZ would have someone go into bat for harness racing to hopefully increase turnover, so that stakes can be maintained!

Perhaps, the appointee would see it from the other side and see just how poor the NZ TAB has treated its customers?

Hopefully the appointee has got  harness racing in their best interests and gets the changes done, that are required?

There are many as some of us already know!

The appointee would not have to be that flash to be better than our current part time CEO, that has not  achieved a single thing for harness racing since keeping the seat cold!

May HRNZ appoint someone who is going to make a big difference and earn their big pay salary! ! 

 

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On 9/10/2020 at 9:04 PM, Brodie said:

Perhaps, the appointee would see it from the other side and see just how poor the NZ TAB has treated its customers?

Latest numbers dont look too bad to me but lets not get facts in the way of a good repetitive moan Mr Brodie

Note the GBR which is where the new Board and Management are concentrating on. GW will surely know all about that

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September Wagering Performance Highlights 

  • Turnover of $210.7m was $34.4m above budget and $25.9m above last year.
  • Strong performance against budget was driven by all products; sport +$19.0m, international racing +$11.4m and domestic racing was +$1.6m and VIP +$2.4m.
  • Gross Betting Revenue (GBR) of $34.6m was $7.2m above budget and $5.4m above last year at a margin of 16.4%.
  • Domestic racing accounted for $61m in turnover, with overseas racing making up $82m of the month’s total turnover and sport delivering $68m in turnover.
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25 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Latest numbers dont look too bad to me but lets not get facts in the way

Do you get paid for this propaganda?  Detail is not one of your fortes is it JJ?  

The turnover is being driven by Sports betting and International racing.  Domestic racing turnover is running a poor third.  Now we know that the margin on International racing is poor and that Sports revenue doesn't go to racing.  So it isnt that good is it?

Especially when the return to those providing the product is LESS than last year.

Gross Betting Turnover is NOT the key figure to focus on.  The key figure is NET revenue and when you subtract the transfer of costs to the codes we are behind.  

Your answer to that JJ?

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Chief is correct!

Bearing in mind free bets etc.will have a bearing in turnover!

Imagine how much more the turnover would be if the NZ TAB actually allowed punters to offload, rather than restricting them to bugger all?

When I look at the tote dividends, a lot of the time I just wonder why punters still bother with the tote?
The TAB doesnt care at all about our local product, as long as they hold their jobs!

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1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

domestic racing was +$1.6m

If we take an average gross yield of 17% then we are talking about $270K extra for the month.  That's gross NOT net so we could probably halve that again.  Now that "extra" has to fund marketing by the codes!

Yep brilliant strategy - cut costs by shifting them elsewhere but still within the industry......at the end of the day it doesn't mean any more revenue to those that provide the product let alone pay for the increase in operational tracks (e.g. AWT maintenance).  

1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

VIP +$2.4m

I assume this means turnover from VIP punters?  If so it is a nonsense statistic.  For all we know those "special" VIP's might be net winners i.e. they pocket more than they turnover!

Yep Flash another stunning financial analysis from you - yeah na!

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JJ Flash seems to pop up whenever there is a Press Release that appears ok, after the spin is put on it

He disappears when it is pointed out that the RITA Board took nearly 2 years to do anything

I think that the analysis provided by the Chief is too complicated for JJ Flash to follow

I'll try to give a more simple explanation (if I'm allowed, I'm just a shit stirrer though)

Option #1:  I own a lawn mower.  The lawn mower has no petrol in it.  My friend wants me to mow his paddock so he puts $50 of petrol in my lawn mower.  I mow and mow and mow until I run out of petrol.  My friend is happy with me and pays me $100. I go home happy because I have $100 to buy dinner with.  Oh joyous days

Option #2: I own a lawn mower.  The lawn mower has no petrol in it.  I fill it up myself and it costs me $50. I mow my friend's paddock until I run out of petrol.  My friend gives me $130. I go home happy because I have $130

Now according to JJ Flash Option #2 is the best because I received 30% more than I did in Option #1

Mikie

 

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On 10/9/2020 at 4:57 PM, Mikie said:

I'm not having a laugh

Although unbelievable, the strong rumour is that one of the TAB Managers who was recently let go, is the favourite for the CEO's job at HRNZ

God help us

Mikie

I should probably add that I am not au fait with GW's strengths or abilities

The performance of the TAB whist he was in a Senior Management role, plus the fact he was cut from the new leadership group don't fill me with inspiration

On the other hand he may have been hamstrung whilst at the TAB and nothing that went wrong was his fault, and he may have volunteered for redundancy knowing that he was going to get this job

Who knows?

Let's see what we think in a year's time

Mikie

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37 minutes ago, Mikie said:

I should probably add that I am not au fait with GW's strengths or abilities

The performance of the TAB whist he was in a Senior Management role, plus the fact he was cut from the new leadership group don't fill me with inspiration

On the other hand he may have been hamstrung whilst at the TAB and nothing that went wrong was his fault, and he may have volunteered for redundancy knowing that he was going to get this job

Who knows?

Let's see what we think in a year's time

Mikie

Many people in many positions are hamstrung in jobs,tell me about it.

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Hopefully the new CEO is going to be based fulltime in ChCh!

If he is allowed to remain in Wellington it willl just be an absolute waste of time And money!!

Let us all hope that this works as otherwise harness is going to battle!

The thing that has be baffled is that surely harness racing needs a CEO that is wanting harness to flourish and for this we need punters offloading!

Mystifying is that the TAB suits do not  like harness punters and so it seems very hard to understand how they have appointed a flrmer exec from the TAB?

Hopefully it is a great decision?

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4 hours ago, Mikie said:

JJ Flash seems to pop up whenever there is a Press Release that appears ok, after the spin is put on it

He disappears when it is pointed out that the RITA Board took nearly 2 years to do anything

I think that the analysis provided by the Chief is too complicated for JJ Flash to follow

I'll try to give a more simple explanation (if I'm allowed, I'm just a shit stirrer though)

Option #1:  I own a lawn mower.  The lawn mower has no petrol in it.  My friend wants me to mow his paddock so he puts $50 of petrol in my lawn mower.  I mow and mow and mow until I run out of petrol.  My friend is happy with me and pays me $100. I go home happy because I have $100 to buy dinner with.  Oh joyous days

Option #2: I own a lawn mower.  The lawn mower has no petrol in it.  I fill it up myself and it costs me $50. I mow my friend's paddock until I run out of petrol.  My friend gives me $130. I go home happy because I have $130

Now according to JJ Flash Option #2 is the best because I received 30% more than I did in Option #1

Mikie

 

j flash always pops up when there is a press release . watch him he fartstoomuch 

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On 31/10/2020 at 9:06 AM, Chief Stipe said:

Your answer to that JJ?

No matter what TAB do or results they publish you will bag them . You get the prize for being 100% consistent.

The figures are there for all to see, You moan when they didn't produce numbers now they are published you still moan. You see then one way others another. As fixed costs are pretty well contained GBM is the metric the current NZTAB now obviously want to focus on re results and outcomes. Most bookies overseas use same metric but you obviously  know more than them being an ex senior Manager

 

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11 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

GBM is the metric the current NZTAB now obviously want to focus on re results and outcomes. Most bookies overseas use same metric but you obviously  know more than them being an ex senior 

Gross Betting Revenue is meaningless on its own.  Net revenue and yield are the key metrics.

We all hope that you are the only one focussed on Gross Turnover.  As I've said before the detail escapes you.

The result for September is at best neutral overall.  The poor performer is NZ Domestic turnover which is the higher yield product.  Higher sports turnover doesn't help racing.

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32 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Gross Betting Revenue is meaningless on its own.  Net revenue and yield are the key metrics.

We all hope that you are the only one focussed on Gross Turnover.  As I've said before the detail escapes you.

The result for September is at best neutral overall.  The poor performer is NZ Domestic turnover which is the higher yield product.  Higher sports turnover doesn't help racing.

High sports turnover may not help racing but maybe it may make the overall state of affairs better.

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2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The poor performer is NZ Domestic turnover which is the higher yield product. 

 We all know domestic racing , especially Harness is in massive decline and has been for years. Poor governance and amateur's pretending to be professional. Further, Kiwi's are not in the same league as Ozzies and Asians in terms of  horse gambling.  Firstly Lotto, then Casinos and Pokies in Pubs have far more domestic appeal nowadays and there is only so much disposable income

Gallops are slightly better but propped up by extensive profitable sales offshore which Harness will never match as its not a national sport let alone an international one. If you think other wise your delusional

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38 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

 We all know domestic racing , especially Harness is in massive decline and has been for years. Poor governance and amateur's pretending to be professional. Further, Kiwi's are not in the same league as Ozzies and Asians in terms of  horse gambling.  Firstly Lotto, then Casinos and Pokies in Pubs have far more domestic appeal nowadays and there is only so much disposable income

Gallops are slightly better but propped up by extensive profitable sales offshore which Harness will never match as its not a national sport let alone an international one. If you think other wise your delusional

Historically harness racing has always been a poorer cousin to the gallops so really nought really changes,but gee it's just about non existent in some places now.

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