Happy Sunrise Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Our resident CD loser reappears to attack. At least your consistent Speaking of reappearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Full credit to Matt Cross he is a good commentator. I'd love to see JJ Flash do it. I know I certainly couldn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Happy Sunrise said: I am just quoting you. Thanks for the advice. Good to be a master of something than a jack of sweet fuck all like you. Oh your so nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Oh your so nasty. So Greg , how is the trotting game treating you , you didn't last at galloping because the tracks kept getting wet , your getting pissed at the starter and commentators at the trots . Time to give the greyhounds a bash eh , at least you'll have something in common with the dogs , they YAP a lot to . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 We all knew it was going to be a lottery .... I'm pretty confident there'll be nothing in the stipes report ------- HAAAAAAPPPPY RIIIIGHT. In my opinion if Copy That draws 7-10 he wins and probably same for the best beginner Classie Brigade. Unless Lamb is close to retirement age sadly we are stuck with him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Correct. Entirely predictable where current starter is concerned Yes, but it was consistent with his starts recently. Lately, and this is what I have been complaining about, the outside horses have been making fliers at the start. This is because Lamb seems to have the first four close together on the front line and then there is a wide gap to the five horse with plenty of space for the wider drawn runners. They have room to turn in without horses leaning on them, or not standing straight beside them, like the inside horses have to put up with. Once an inside draw was an advantage but it isn't now with Lamb in charge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Dougie said: We all knew it was going to be a lottery .... I'm pretty confident there'll be nothing in the stipes report ------- HAAAAAAPPPPY RIIIIGHT. In my opinion if Copy That draws 7-10 he wins and probably same for the best beginner Classie Brigade. Unless Lamb is close to retirement age sadly we are stuck with him. Unfortunately, we are stuck with him. The guy is getting worse if it is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Davis said: Unfortunately, we are stuck with him. The guy is getting worse if it is possible. So many strange things happen in harness racing which put off the punter yet nothing changes. We've all whinged about it, even today in the FFA Trot best mannered horses get stuffed over and a repeat of what happened with Majestic Man a few weeks back..... yes a few breakers but without looking it up "The Dominator" would break at least in 75% of his starts and breaks twice in the score up, I've never seen an open class trotter with such bad manners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dougie said: We all knew it was going to be a lottery .... I'm pretty confident there'll be nothing in the stipes report ------- HAAAAAAPPPPY RIIIIGHT. They're still writing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Chief Stipe said: They're still writing it. It will take them awhile because they will have a lot to consider in regards to their reaction to the Cup start. Most sensible option will be to adjourn the matter for inquiry. There is no way they will have any detail in tonight's release. If they say nothing that will be telling, and if they do, they have lost control of the starts in regard to the starter and the fairness to horses and drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Read it and weep. Makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: Read it and weep. Makes no sense. I must have watched a different race. I'll have to go back and have another look. I thought Self Assured went for the barriers and Mark Purdon was the first to turn away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Read it and weep. Makes no sense. I didn't bet on Copy That but why wouldn't the connections at least throw in a protest re a fair start and save the poor punter, as we know a history in the last 2 weeks a numerous late scratching due to the Lamb Chop stuffing up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Mr Lamb explained that the entire field had been called into line to address the barriers but noticed the inside runners were slower and so had given them an additional call. He noticed at this time COPY THAT was reined up and other runners moving forward so soon afterwards activated the start. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Now I understand and see what people have been saying about this particular starter. Sigh, disheartened. Rinse and repeat. Keep speaking up about it. Push for change. Over and out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I must have watched a different race. I'll have to go back and have another look. I thought Self Assured went for the barriers and Mark Purdon was the first to turn away. Actually had another couple of looks and that first part of the stipes report concerning Tango Tara seems right. It and Ashley Locaz do impede each other and someone yells out. Purdon seems to make an early decision to walk away. Lamb actually says something in the audio at that point about ".....the outside....". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dougie said: I didn't bet on Copy That but why wouldn't the connections at least throw in a protest re a fair start and save the poor punter, as we know a history in the last 2 weeks a numerous late scratching due to the Lamb Chop stuffing up. I hear what you are saying but Copy That wasn't that far away from the tape when the tape was released. The difference is that he was actually standing still while the outside horses were having a run at it. Then he started away very slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I hear what you are saying but Copy That wasn't that far away from the tape when the tape was released. The difference is that he was actually standing still while the outside horses were having a run at it. Then he started away very slowly. Yip, but Isn't it his job to let the field go evenly and standing still not just when he feels like it.... it's not a rolling start it's a standing start, A revealing photo's of the start from the drone showed Copt That was stuffed before the riiiiiiiiiigggggghhht ( Wrong ) call was yelled, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dougie said: Yip, but Isn't it his job to let the field go evenly and standing still not just when he feels like it.... it's not a rolling start it's a standing start, Agreed it wasn't a fair standing start. Geez I remember we had two good horses and they would stand perfectly still but as soon as the tapes flew they would take two or three bounds to get momentum up and then be flying pacing. It took a bit of getting used to as you thought they had galloped away but they were intelligent horses. One had a 62 inch hopple which you could even let out to 64 on a fast track. Then hopple shorteners became the rage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Your so funny. Stick to selecting losers on your tip threads. You've mastered that better selecting losers than being a jj loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Don't want to unload on anyone (or launch any conspiracy theories) but to my way of thinking that start was just so downright unfair. They shouldn't have a pacing race with a standing start if that shambles is the best they can do. Would expect the drivers to have been briefed before the race so they were clear on the terms for the start. And the starter & officials to be on the same page as well. I have noticed in standing start trots, some get the walk-up treatment - this was even worse! The blue runners on the outside were well into pacing (at a good rate too) when they hit the line - poor old Ray Green's horse was standing still - good manners both driver & horse - for what good it did them! And then Mr Purdon had the temerity to wahh on about how the horse wasn't reliable off a stand & he was so pleased he brought his A game today & went away etc - FFS - because it wasn't a bloody standing start for the horse - so he didn't need the manners! The commentator/comments ppl too were disingenuous - talking about everything but the elephant in the room - which was the horrendously biased start! This was the equivalent of a gallops race where the outside 3 gates opened 2 seconds before the rest of the field! I didn't have a bet so not talking out of my pocket - just feel sorry for the connections of the rest of those horses in the big race. Looked unfair & unprofessional. Yet the trackside coverage that I saw seemed ok with it as they blatantly ignored it! (or perhaps they too scared to offer an opinion/state the obvious in certain situations ....?) Disappointing. Jess 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just when I wanted to tap out of this conversation, had a thought. Someone should start a petition. This could be done online, or someone might have another idea how to do it to keep peoples privacy from one another on here. Happy? You are quite creative. You guys have loads of examples, I know because Iv read them. Be fair and respectful in the write up of it. The petition could be circulated directly within industry also. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) Karrots - if you mean to sack the starter I personally wouldn't be comfortable to participate in something like that (but maybe I've misunderstood your post - apologies if so). This is about more than just that one employee IMO. What instructions is he working to - what support/education has he had in the past when found wanting - and how do the stipes and officials actually expect/direct these starts to be undertaken? And if I'm really going to cover all bases - what are the agendas for the various parties and is it a coincidence which runners got a huge advantage out of what some people just see as simple folly by one man. Even before we go down any conspiracy trails - I think the picture is a little bigger than the title of this thread suggests .... J. Edited November 10, 2020 by jess typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Karrots said: Just when I wanted to tap out of this conversation, had a thought. Someone should start a petition. This could be done online, or someone might have another idea how to do it to keep peoples privacy from one another on here. Happy? You are quite creative. You guys have loads of examples, I know because Iv read them. Be fair and respectful in the write up of it. The petition could be circulated directly within industry also. Thoughts? If the hierarchy have any level of competency no one should have to start a petition to sort it out . A professional outfit would have it sorted . I'm not a trotting man but i always watch the big races , that was by far the biggest shambles of a start i have seen in the cup . Obviously something has changed with standing starts , i used to always see horses standing at the tape ready to step away when it sprung , but now i have noticed a lot more horses almost rolling up anticipating the tape . Maybe that is the accepted method now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, jess said: Karrots - if you mean to sack the starter I personally wouldn't be comfortable to participate in something like that (but maybe I've misunderstood your post - apologies if so). This is about more than just that one employee IMO. What instructions is he working to - what support/education has he had in the past when found wanting - and how do the stipes and officials actually expect/direct these starts to be undertaken? And if I'm really going to cover all basis - what are the agendas for the various parties and is it a coincidence which runners got a huge advantage out of what some people just see as simple folly by one man. Even before we go down any conspiracy trails - I think the picture is a little bigger than the title of this thread suggests .... J. Think you are thinking to much into this Jess. It is not a conspiracy as you may have alluded to. It happens too often, almost every race, to think that it was planned for the Cup. Whether it is a maiden race or a G1 allways gets it wrong and horses and connections suffer . He is the starter so it is off his own back. He needs to be replaced. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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