nomates Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 And Opie just confirms what i've just said , track worn . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, the galah said: 8 mils is half an inch. thats a lot of water to me. Geez Galah you were having a good week as far as I was concerned! 25mm to the inch! So that less than a 1/3 of an inch! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, nomates said: No form from the first day has stood up yet . How many horses have backed up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 Galah and Nomates has Pitty been on the phone to you both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Geez Galah you were having a good week as far as I was concerned! 25mm to the the inch! So that less than a 1/3 of an inch! Is it. I still work in inches and feet and stone and pounds. Youv'e educated me on my conversions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 29 races on the track to this point this week. You'd expect it to be a bit worn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Galah and Nomates has Pitty been on the phone to you both? I always like hearing what he has to say as he isn't afraid to say what he thinks. It must be frustrating when you have a dry tracker and you see them turning on the sprinklers after they ran on a slow track the day before. That may be why the Track manager said he irrigated at midnight on thursday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, the galah said: That may be why the Track manager said he irrigated at midnight on thursday night. Farming 101 - never irrigate in the heat of the day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, the galah said: I always like hearing what he has to say as he isn't afraid to say what he thinks. But it's always the same thing and what suits Pitty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Just now, Chief Stipe said: Farming 101 - never irrigate in the heat of the day. I thought it might have been because the track manager would have have known mr pitman would be tucked away in his bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Galah and Nomates has Pitty been on the phone to you both? Not important enough for him to talk to me , i'm not complaining about watering , i'm saying track is worn for whatever reason , i'm sure moisture god given or not is helping the worn effect . All i'm saying inside is off . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, the galah said: I thought it might have been because the track manager would have have known mr pitman would be tucked away in his bed. Never over head irrigate any plant when it is hot and sunny. The plants don't like it. The other reason may have been to leave it as late as possible to assess what was happening. Also if the "rule book" was being followed then he can't irrigate on the Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Man Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: R65 1200m 1:09.6 Pitty "was surprised how wet the track was"! what a joke pitty says track is slow and they ran 122 sore loser obviously cream is rising to the top 4 for tangerine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Man Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: 29 races on the track to this point this week. You'd expect it to be a bit worn. interesting no upgrade looks hot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Man Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, nomates said: And Opie just confirms what i've just said , track worn . 32 races so far 350 odd horses surly it would be worn, they shifted rail out to fresh ground around the top corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Running Man said: what a joke pitty says track is slow and they ran 122 sore loser obviously cream is rising to the top 4 for tangerine On 5 october the maidens ran 1.21.76 for 1400m and two 1200m races were run in 1.07.90 and 1.07.15. They were running about 1 and a half seconds slower today than they did on 5 october. So surely any trainer who had a dry track horse would question why they were disadvantaged by unnecessary irrigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, the galah said: On 5 october the maidens ran 1.21.76 for 1400m and two 1200m races were run in 1.07.90 and 1.07.15. They were running about 1 and a half seconds slower today than they did on 5 october. So surely any trainer who had a dry track horse would question why they were disadvantaged by unnecessary irrigation. That track you refer to was a G2 and extremely hard. It was a mess as evident by the clouds of dust. There was near universal condemnation of that track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Interesting stipes report, a few with lameness issues, boy, aren't they lucky the track wasn't presented as it was for that joke referred to above.......maybe attrition is rearing it's ugly head.....whoda thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Oh well. It seems many are happy with tracks with fast lanes 8 to 10 horses off the rails like they got today. And most apparently happy to see tracks irrigated when they are already rated as slow. Personally, just recently i had been trying to increase my spend to get better rebates, but i have come to the view this week i am being mislead to some extent,as there are so many variables when it comes to track conditions. You shouldn't have to watch a few races to work out the patterns. That track in early october i thought was the best from a punters perspective as you knew what to expect. It also seems anyone who owns/trains a horse who runs best on good tracks may as well put them back in the paddock. I don't recall in previous decades them having to have tracks about a dead 6 at the start of the day. Also,if irrigation is so important nowdays,should tracks without irrigation be allowed to run meetings? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But it's always the same thing and what suits Pitty. Well it is pretty well known they listen to other people so why wouldn't they listen to Pitty? As for anyone who queried whether there was a bad strip on the fence look at M Cameron's puzzling ride on Rousanne in the two year old race where he hooked from mid track and looking to figure in the finish (probably not win to be fair) to the fence where she was quickly struggling and swamped late. By way of disclosure I own a racing share in her BUT am not complaining (I didn't back her) but if I actually owned her outright I would be a little unhappy at losing black type and missing probably doubling her eventual broodmare value due to the shit track on the inside. And harking back to all the bloody bleating and whimpering about the October track I don't remember too many fast lanes that day. It was fast all over - plastering water on them just creates lanes whether it be on the fence in the middle or down the outer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Reefton said: And harking back to all the bloody bleating and whimpering about the October track I don't remember too many fast lanes that day. It was fast all over - plastering water on them just creates lanes whether it be on the fence in the middle or down the outer Because of antique irrigation systems that don't provide even application or application levels that run off to the inside of any camber? Edited November 14, 2020 by curious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 They should be using these or similar like in the UK but the total lack of investment in track infrastructure here for decades is causing the problem. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Have to agree with both Pitty and Reefton about the watering producing uneven and biased track surfaces. But, without having any pretensions to expertise in this matter - apart from years of observation - there are vast differences in the surfaces we are offered for racing. A fast track at Reefton is very different from the same at Riccarton, a fact that seems to escape many. The soil structure at many tracks (as alluded to by the Chief who does have knowledge in these matters) is stuffed, and therefore there is little that beleaguered track managers can do in these situations. Riccarton has such an unforgiving substructure that it is unacceptable to offer in unwatered state when firm - yet that watering creates a raft of problems. As Curious has pointed out, years of underinvestment has produced this situation that is going to be hugely costly to sort out. As an aside - love your filly, Reefton, she looks to have a bright future. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Reefton said: And harking back to all the bloody bleating and whimpering about the October track I don't remember too many fast lanes that day. It was fast all over - plastering water on them just creates lanes whether it be on the fence in the middle or down the outer Or after 28 races by the time it got to the Welcome Stakes it was worn. If your theory about irrigation was correct then explain the first day that showed no apparent bias yet had far more irrigation? Also 48mm was applied by God and 8mm by the Track Manager. I suggest Reefton you go to confession after Mass this morning and ask why the man upstairs decided to disadvantage your horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 hours ago, curious said: Because of antique irrigation systems that don't provide even application or application levels that run off to the inside of any camber? Probably both but also a soil structure that doesn't facilitate even water take up. The verti-draining done after October 3 was to assist impeded distribution due to soil structure. However the problem (if there actually was a problem) on Saturday wasn't caused by irrigation. As for there being a bias the inside track was worn and no doubt compacted from the previous two race days in a week. You can't blame the irrigation. Now the "apparent bias" became assumed "fact" because of the swoopers winning in the first three races. Yet that trend didn't continue. Or are the complainers suggesting there were multiple "fast lanes"? Thinking about it a bit more, if we believe the penetrometer readings during the week, then the scene was set by the God given 48 mm and the 8mm did nothing. You wouldn't have got much more improvement in the track rating anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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