Alex Park tonight

[Forbury]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Incorrect Galah, I said Amazing Dream could of run SECOND to Spankem NZ FFA , not win it.

Trailing the leader is NOT RACE FIXING you fools . It is a PRIME position hahah , they even have a passing lane to give EXTRA ADVANTAGE these days. Gammalite came around Vinnie in the Interdominion final while he tried to run me off a bit as no passing lane then. but still WIN. 

The horse that beat Mark is a GOOD horse. Just led and won in 1.55 at ADDINGTON recently . Not an easybeat.

You guys need to drive some races to see what its REALLY like. hahah. you don't always lead when you want hahah

Your a idiot protecting race fixing driving.....

[the galah]

 

 

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Incorrect Galah, I said Amazing Dream could of run SECOND to Spankem NZ FFA , not win it.

Trailing the leader is NOT RACE FIXING you fools . It is a PRIME position hahah , they even have a passing lane to give EXTRA ADVANTAGE these days. Gammalite came around Vinnie in the Interdominion final while he tried to run me off a bit as no passing lane then. but still WIN. 

The horse that beat Mark is a GOOD horse. Just led and won in 1.55 at ADDINGTON recently . Not an easybeat.

You guys need to drive some races to see what its REALLY like. hahah. you don't always lead when you want hahah

I don't know what form book you use,but Amazing dream is the better horse and would outstay Beyond Words anyday.  Purdon was pulling back as soon as he saw it coming. It appeared pre planned.

I don't think your arguing this topic on its merits. I think you enjoy taking the opposite view.

[Forbury]

1 minute ago, Forbury said:

Your a idiot protecting race fixing driving.....

It is race fixing trailing the leader when you give your advantage away and there is no way on planet Earth beyond words takes the lead off it.none.

[Gammalite]

2 hours ago, Forbury said:

Your a idiot protecting race fixing driving.....

You've lost the plot mate, and fancy coming on forums with crazy accusations against stewards and your harness racing Champions. Go support surfing or something where you don't bag the best there is.

Mark is a WORLD CLASS driver and CHAMPION of the sport. He would beat you and me any day in a race and has ABSOLUTELY NO NEED TO FIX RACES in any capacity. why ??

God only knows what you think of the many who don't run anywhere in your races. 

And I'm not an Idiot , and not protecting anyone. 

[Gammalite]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

 

 

I don't know what form book you use,but Amazing dream is the better horse and would outstay Beyond Words anyday.  Purdon was pulling back as soon as he saw it coming. It appeared pre planned.

I don't think your arguing this topic on its merits. I think you enjoy taking the opposite view.

Why? what merits is that? Why have you decided Amazing Dream is better than the ever improving Beyond Words?

Tonight he beat her on merit and sure Not by much. I've driven in a thousand races and can tell you it is quite permissable to take a trail on a rival, especially MORE SO in this case when Mark KNEW IT WOULD cart him right up to the sprint lane? An intelligent drive, and AS USUAL a great result for ALLSTARS.

Your horse generally can relax that little bit more in a trailing position and not be rattled by someone taking on the leader if that were to eventuate, but talking race driving with you and Forbury is a forlorn task it seems. 

 

[Forbury]

22 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

You've lost the plot mate, and fancy coming on forums with crazy accusations against stewards and your harness racing Champions. Go support surfing or something where you don't bag the best there is.

Mark is a WORLD CLASS driver and CHAMPION of the sport. He would beat you and me any day in a race and has ABSOLUTELY NO NEED TO FIX RACES in any capacity. why ??

God only knows what you think of the many who don't run anywhere in your races. 

And I'm not an Idiot , and not protecting anyone. 

Lol.mark purdon is Mr blue juice PROVEN CHEAT and blood on his hands due to his former big owner killing himself as a result of this horrible cheat Mr blue juice mark purdon

[Forbury]

12 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Why? what merits is that? Why have you decided Amazing Dream is better than the ever improving Beyond Words?

Tonight he beat her on merit and sure Not by much. I've driven in a thousand races and can tell you it is quite permissable to take a trail on a rival, especially MORE SO in this case when Mark KNEW IT WOULD cart him right up to the sprint lane? An intelligent drive, and AS USUAL a great result for ALLSTARS.

Your horse generally can relax that little bit more in a trailing position and not be rattled by someone taking on the leader if that were to eventuate, but talking race driving with you and Forbury is a forlorn task it seems. 

 

Great result for the cheats.poor result for the integrity of racing that's for sure.beyond words could not get the lead off amazing dream never .....race fixing.cheats

[Forbury]

7 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Stupid whip rules these days to aplease the activists.

Good whip work and LA ROSA wins and Allstars don't get yet another G1 win. ooooh well . well done Tim. 

sit without cover and still win. A GAMMALITE specialty !!!  used to do it often. lol 

She got seven days to  retard 

[mikeynz]

6 hours ago, Forbury said:

She got seven days to  retard 

I wonder what Vin Knight would get if he was driving today

[the galah]

6 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Why? what merits is that? Why have you decided Amazing Dream is better than the ever improving Beyond Words?

 

 

You ask why i have decided amazing dream is better than Beyond Words. With that statement you have just proved the merit,or lack of in your statements.

 

6 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Tonight he beat her on merit and sure Not by much. I've driven in a thousand races and can tell you it is quite permissable to take a trail on a rival, especially MORE SO in this case when Mark KNEW IT WOULD cart him right up to the sprint lane? An intelligent drive, and AS USUAL a great result for ALLSTARS.

 

 

How often did you hand up the front after getting an easy lead on the $1.10 favorite?  And Purdon saying it is best driven with a trail is an absolute joke when you look at its racing patterns.  

You say a great result for the ALL Stars. Again that is where your argument is flawed. Here we are complaining about team driving and you refer to their success as a team.

7 hours ago, Gammalite said:

 

Your horse generally can relax that little bit more in a trailing position and not be rattled by someone taking on the leader if that were to eventuate, but talking race driving with you and Forbury is a forlorn task it seems. 

 

The forlorn task is getting you to admit the obvious. Purdon's decision to trail Beyond words was based on it being trained by him,not on what was best for his chances..That decision appeared pre planned.  Had the roles been reversed then nobody would have had an issue,because everybody knows Amazing dream is the best horse.

Forbury may get a bit carried away sometimes,but that doesn't mean what he says is wrong.  I,and i think everyone else know Purdon went out there with every intention to win,its just the way he executed that intention was badly flawed,he sacrificed amazing dreams chances,for the benefit of the team.You won't see a more obvious case of team driving,period,and he should be given a holiday for it.

[Roman]

34 minutes ago, the galah said:

You ask why i have decided amazing dream is better than Beyond Words. With that statement you have just proved the merit,or lack of in your statements.

 

How often did you hand up the front after getting an easy lead on the $1.10 favorite?  And Purdon saying it is best driven with a trail is an absolute joke when you look at its racing patterns.  

You say a great result for the ALL Stars. Again that is where your argument is flawed. Here we are complaining about team driving and you refer to their success as a team.

The forlorn task is getting you to admit the obvious. Purdon's decision to trail Beyond words was based on it being trained by him,not on what was best for his chances..That decision appeared pre planned.  Had the roles been reversed then nobody would have had an issue,because everybody knows Amazing dream is the best horse.

Forbury may get a bit carried away sometimes,but that doesn't mean what he says is wrong.  I,and i think everyone else know Purdon went out there with every intention to win,its just the way he executed that intention was badly flawed,he sacrificed amazing dreams chances,for the benefit of the team.You won't see a more obvious case of team driving,period,and he should be given a holiday for it.

What is the solution to team driving? As any trainer with 2 in a race may be subject to having to hand up to a stable mate or having to make a stable mate sit parked.

Do we just say no more than 2 per stable per race or if more than 2 have outside drivers drive the horses in that race? 

I think on a whole, most drivers do what's best for their horse and connections, although last night makes alot of queries to this particular drive. 

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

You ask why i have decided amazing dream is better than Beyond Words. With that statement you have just proved the merit,or lack of in your statements.

 

How often did you hand up the front after getting an easy lead on the $1.10 favorite?  And Purdon saying it is best driven with a trail is an absolute joke when you look at its racing patterns.  

You say a great result for the ALL Stars. Again that is where your argument is flawed. Here we are complaining about team driving and you refer to their success as a team.

The forlorn task is getting you to admit the obvious. Purdon's decision to trail Beyond words was based on it being trained by him,not on what was best for his chances..That decision appeared pre planned.  Had the roles been reversed then nobody would have had an issue,because everybody knows Amazing dream is the best horse.

Forbury may get a bit carried away sometimes,but that doesn't mean what he says is wrong.  I,and i think everyone else know Purdon went out there with every intention to win,its just the way he executed that intention was badly flawed,he sacrificed amazing dreams chances,for the benefit of the team.You won't see a more obvious case of team driving,period,and he should be given a holiday for it.

Thank you for your calculated response Galah. Forbury already descended into name calling and bullying. pretty poor form.

You are wrong to decide How Mark should drive his horses. Based on your opinion of horses abilities and horses

odds. It's not as easy as that. Mark knows better than you or I on race tactics (by a furlong or 2)

Of course you have some sort of plan about a race before you go out in it? You didn't like his PLAN so you call it race fixing? thats just wrong. wrong wrong. Most races jockeys/ drivers are given some instructions YES ?  surely you agree to that at least. According to your arguement , that's race fixing?

OF course the 'Plans" don't work out all the time or we would all be retired with millions of dollars.

Mark's plan gave Amazing Dream Every Hope to win. Had an amazing dream trail , yes?

[hunterthepunter]

12 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Incorrect Galah, I said Amazing Dream could of run SECOND to Spankem NZ FFA , not win it.

Trailing the leader is NOT RACE FIXING you fools . It is a PRIME position hahah , they even have a passing lane to give EXTRA ADVANTAGE these days. Gammalite came around Vinnie in the Interdominion final while he tried to run me off a bit as no passing lane then. but still WIN. 

The horse that beat Mark is a GOOD horse. Just led and won in 1.55 at ADDINGTON recently . Not an easybeat.

You guys need to drive some races to see what its REALLY like. hahah. you don't always lead when you want hahah

your favourite lady drivers sister in your homeland Queensland is race fixer 

[Davis]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

You ask why i have decided amazing dream is better than Beyond Words. With that statement you have just proved the merit,or lack of in your statements.

 

How often did you hand up the front after getting an easy lead on the $1.10 favorite?  And Purdon saying it is best driven with a trail is an absolute joke when you look at its racing patterns.  

You say a great result for the ALL Stars. Again that is where your argument is flawed. Here we are complaining about team driving and you refer to their success as a team.

The forlorn task is getting you to admit the obvious. Purdon's decision to trail Beyond words was based on it being trained by him,not on what was best for his chances..That decision appeared pre planned.  Had the roles been reversed then nobody would have had an issue,because everybody knows Amazing dream is the best horse.

Forbury may get a bit carried away sometimes,but that doesn't mean what he says is wrong.  I,and i think everyone else know Purdon went out there with every intention to win,its just the way he executed that intention was badly flawed,he sacrificed amazing dreams chances,for the benefit of the team.You won't see a more obvious case of team driving,period,and he should be given a holiday for it.

I agree it didn't look good. But if it was Addington I believe Amazing Dream would have won up the passing lane. Alexandra Park it's hard to make ground in the straight no matter how good you are. The final turn is a shocker and horses can not accelerate around the bend like they can at Addington. That means it takes them some time to get balanced in the straight before they are at top speed. Enchantee was similar she was too far back but flew home. Generally, at alexandria Park the horse leading turning for home either wins or is second. 

[Davis]

On 12/9/2020 at 9:47 PM, hunterthepunter said:

sundees son to kill them 

You picked it mate. He jogged it....

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Roman said:

What is the solution to team driving? As any trainer with 2 in a race may be subject to having to hand up to a stable mate or having to make a stable mate sit parked.

Do we just say no more than 2 per stable per race or if more than 2 have outside drivers drive the horses in that race? 

I think on a whole, most drivers do what's best for their horse and connections, although last night makes alot of queries to this particular drive. 

We just say drive the horse to achieve the best possible result.

 

57 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

 It's not as easy as that. Mark knows better than you or I on race tactics (by a furlong or 2)

 

Mark purdon makes errors,just like anyone else. It is the motive for the error which is what we are discussing.

I find it ironic that someone calling themselves gammalite is arguing that taking a trail automatically gives any horse the best opportunity to win.

[Forbury]

58 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said:

your favourite lady drivers sister in your homeland Queensland is race fixer 

100%.they are all crims.027 444 2082 is Steve Mulcahy number.ask him about amazing dream handing up to a stablemate that could not lead the 1.10 shot for a reason

[Gammalite]

4 minutes ago, the galah said:

We just say drive the horse to achieve the best possible result.

 

Mark purdon makes errors,just like anyone else. It is the motive for the error which is what we are discussing.

I find it ironic that someone calling themselves gammalite is arguing that taking a trail automatically gives any horse the best opportunity to win.

I guess its the definition of the serious charge of race fixing v the usual race pattern of "Race Plan".

Llyod Williams bought lots of stayers over the years to win Melbourne Cups. In lead up races often a tearaway pacemaker would sacrifice itself out in front to suit a stablemate back in the pack. 

This to me is race fixing. The leader ran last , the Williams other runner nearly wins. Not every runner had a chance from the stable in those races.

Amazing dream and Beyond Words both had Every Chance of winning.  

[Forbury]

1 hour ago, Roman said:

What is the solution to team driving? As any trainer with 2 in a race may be subject to having to hand up to a stable mate or having to make a stable mate sit parked.

Do we just say no more than 2 per stable per race or if more than 2 have outside drivers drive the horses in that race? 

I think on a whole, most drivers do what's best for their horse and connections, although last night makes alot of queries to this particular drive. 

Team driving is banned in France.

[Forbury]

5 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

I guess its the definition of the serious charge of race fixing v the usual race pattern of "Race Plan".

Llyod Williams bought lots of stayers over the years to win Melbourne Cups. In lead up races often a tearaway pacemaker would sacrifice itself out in front to suit a stablemate back in the pack. 

This to me is race fixing. The leader ran last , the Williams other runner nearly wins. Not every runner had a chance from the stable in those races.

Amazing dream and Beyond Words both had Every Chance of winning.  

The only problem with your debate is amazing dream gave away her advantage when she never had to.thats why she was a 1.10.tabcorp didn't budge at 1.04.your debate is flawed and bias .it's race fixing team driving .....

[Forbury]

1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said:

your favourite lady drivers sister in your homeland Queensland is race fixer 

Who do I report to in NZ  about NZ tab riu stewards mark purdon.its organised crime involving govt agents.in Aust it's ICAC.this crime is common with team blue juice but this is the worst ever and sets a very very bad precedent 

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said:

your favourite lady drivers sister in your homeland Queensland is race fixer 

That was truly terrible Hunter. Vicki Rasmussen got a year off training and brilliant young drivers Shane Graham  and Leonard Cain did time. Shane just back after 2 years off , for one of those silly hand up the lead scenarios.

Very poor decision. Leonard only 18 at the time and just following the race 'Plan" (maybe he wins the G1 tonight?)

All the horses had every chance to win in that Albion race ,

just like Amazing Dream and Beyond Words last night.

[Karrots]

How good was the finish in the 3y-o fillies race. Chief nearly took the chocs with his secret santa, missed by a nose. If I was watching that live, I would of been doing a vocal warm up for my song. But no, it was not to be.

Kudos to the winner.

And I felt Darling Me was given her chance.

[Gammalite]

4 minutes ago, Karrots said:

How good was the finish in the 3y-o fillies race. Chief nearly took the chocs with his secret santa, missed by a nose. If I was watching that live, I would of been doing a vocal warm up for my song. But no, it was not to be.

Kudos to the winner.

And I felt Darling Me was given her chance.

A great nights racing Karrots !  Allstars only getting 3 out of 4 of the features. American Dealer upsetting the applecart because he is the real 'Deal" ! lol

Glad someone is enjoying the races instead of grizzling about cheating and think they know better than Mark himself , how to drive his own horses .hehe  I wish he drove Ashley Locaz so I could of got my Quinella ? lol

[tacula]

Why would Nat Rasmusson think her horse would be able to get the lead off $1.10 favourite? Answer = PLANNED. Does that not also mean team driving? Race fixing maybe?