Brodie rogered again by TAB NZ and BGP!

[hunterthepunter]

12 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

So you cant actually post on that site as you got the boot.

Like many, you obviously go to the other site to make your  point about boring topics. Good for you- an open mind.

As for AS i'm a fan from a punting perspective and will be missed  as far as I'm concerned as they had the something that's badly missing from Harness in NZ- professionalism. BO and BB being the most recent candidates 

your hand must be getting sore now jj flash Paul

[JJ Flash]

42 minutes ago, MarkyMark said:

and further to that JJ, what about all those winning tote punters, who only got $1.70 for that quinella.  Did they get 90 cents or a doller less per unit because their take out was higher to subsidise BGP bet, then if so i would feel aggrieved wth that aswell

Neither you or i can answer that MM re 90 cents less as we dont know what the TAB did in terms of takeout if in fact they did anything. Only they know that answer

Do you or anyone else no categorically that they upped the Take out Rate for that particular race. The simple truthful answer is no

[JJ Flash]

57 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I can see the JJ scurry backwards starting! 

Really , or maybe its just that i prefer not to engage with you after a certain point because its tedious and boring. Those that know you personally say that you are a Neville Wong type and i can see why

Edited January 24, 2021 by JJ Flash

[Chief Stipe]

22 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Those that know you personally say that you are a Neville Wong type and i can see why

Like who for example?  Come on JJ show your colours?  Two sides to every story.

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, MarkyMark said:

and further to that JJ, what about all those winning tote punters, who only got $1.70 for that quinella.  Did they get 90 cents or a doller less per unit because their take out was higher to subsidise BGP bet, then if so i would feel aggrieved wth that aswell

With A quinella pool and the dividend paid, always depend on the amount of bets on the correct combination. 

What's new? Fixed prices can adjust as well prior to an event , depending on how many combinations on each offer.

That BoysGet Paid bet was huge , why shouldn't the tab draw from the pool (as they always do )to pay it?

seems only fair. Also BGP gave everyone else the 'Heads-up ' to take that combination as well if they wanted.

Fixed price Quinella seems a little hard to control as just so many combinations.  ? crazy stuff.

I think it's a miracle it didn't pay $1. 05

[Chief Stipe]

28 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Neither you or i can answer that MM re 90 cents less as we dont know what the TAB did in terms of takeout if in fact they did anything. Only they know that answer

Why was the Quinella tote pool for the race nearly twice that of any of the others and disproportionately different to the Win/Place pools compared to other races?  

JJ once again you are showing your ignorance with regard to wagering.  The takeout for the tote pools is a declared % - it has to be by law.  THe Statutory Deduction is 21% NZ Only Pool and 17.5% for a Commingled Pool.

[Chief Stipe]

8 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

With A quinella pool and the dividend paid, always depend on the amount of bets on the correct combination. 

What's new? Fixed prices can adjust as well prior to an event , depending on how many combinations on each offer.

That BoysGet Paid bet was huge , why shouldn't the tab draw from the pool (as they always do )to pay it?

seems only fair. Also BGP gave everyone else the 'Heads-up ' to take that combination as well if they wanted.

Fixed price Quinella seems a little hard to control as just so many combinations.  ? crazy stuff.

I think it's a miracle it didn't pay $1. 05

You are missing the point Gammalite - the Fixed Odds Bet that BGP took was not available to ANYONE ELSE at ANY ODDS.

[Karrots]

I’m in paddock on spell, but Trojan Horse walked by so close, close enough for Karrots to take a nip at him.

Some facts not fiction: Harness side

The last 100 topics on here, none have been started by JJ (Trojan Horse).

Yet JJ (Trojan Horse) has started 11 out of the last 25 topics on RC.

The latest topic JJ (Trojan Horse) started on RC was called “2y-os” - 20th Jan.

Karrots started a topic here called “2 y-os & yearling sales” - 13th Jan.

INTERESTING FACT, JJ (Trojan Horse), has never added to Karrots 2y-o topic here, not ONCE posted a comment.

Karrots turning around and swishing tail in Trojan Horse face on exit.

[Gammalite]

40 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

You are missing the point Gammalite - the Fixed Odds Bet that BGP took was not available to ANYONE ELSE at ANY ODDS.

Ohhhh Ok , In that case both the mobs should of done it 'behind closed doors' then. 

As everyone knows mostly A LOT of big bets go on behind closed doors (with varying odds) that you, I ,or especially that big player Brodie would not get, be offered.

My immeadiate thought was 'Thats a big bet involving 2 horses' ?  Twice the chance for something to go wrong.

But must be nearly 'over the line' for that much money to be on. Thought about taking it myself.

 

[Gammalite]

38 minutes ago, Karrots said:

I’m in paddock on spell, but Trojan Horse walked by so close, close enough for Karrots to take a nip at him.

Some facts not fiction: Harness side

The last 100 topics on here, none have been started by JJ (Trojan Horse).

Yet JJ (Trojan Horse) has started 11 out of the last 25 topics on RC.

The latest topic JJ (Trojan Horse) started on RC was called “2y-os” - 20th Jan.

Karrots started a topic here called “2 y-os & yearling sales” - 13th Jan.

INTERESTING FACT, JJ (Trojan Horse), has never added to Karrots 2y-o topic here, not ONCE posted a comment.

Karrots turning around and swishing tail in Trojan Horse face on exit.

Crikey Karrots !!! that looked particularly nasty. When a Cyclist can't recognise the Stallion in the harem ,

Things go wrong quickly. I reckon with that force , that guys arm is broken.........  ouch....  stallions bite HARD.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

But must be nearly 'over the line' for that much money to be on. Thought about taking it myself.

The only option you had was to take it on the Tote which paid $1.70!  There is growing evidence that the TAB offloaded their Fixed Odds Quinella bet onto the tote.  If you scam your normal punter like that too often by favouring an "Elite" customer then you will find the average punter will go elsewhere. 

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

The only option you had was to take it on the Tote which paid $1.70!  There is growing evidence that the TAB offloaded their Fixed Odds Quinella bet onto the tote.  If you scam your normal punter like that too often by favouring an "Elite" customer then you will find the average punter will go elsewhere. 

I don't think you're being scammed though. (Definitely would be, if they laid off into a different pool, or another race)

BUT If they TAB put it /some of it/ in the Quinella pool for that race. Fine By Me. I just have to cop the $1.70.

That's where it would of been, and possibly would of paid (more likely $1.05)  if BoysGetPaid put in on the tote, by not getting a special offer price. (I imagine the special offer is for 'continued and outstanding support' week to week.) fair enough. They suck up to high rollers at the casino as well.

small fry just have to suck up the dividend posted. nothing new. Plenty more races after that?

 

 

[MarkyMark]

2 hours ago, JJ Flash said:

Neither you or i can answer that MM re 90 cents less as we dont know what the TAB did in terms of takeout if in fact they did anything. Only they know that answer

Do you or anyone else no categorically that they upped the Take out Rate for that particular race. The simple truthful answer is no

common sense JJ, surely with your expert knowledge on most things it would be rather simple.  If it wasnt this race, it would be another. how else would they possibly cover this. If this is not the case, then the tab exposed themself in a 1 person betting market to a loss, if you believe this, you need to give yourself an uppercut buddy, and your not all that clued up you make yourself out to be. we all know, the tab cover themselves via their take out of the pool, which on the tote is around 136% off memory, someone more in the know im sure can correct me.  If you compare market results for that race across various competition the tab posted a uncompetitive result.

This i can only see would have been done by offsetting punter funds from the tote via a higher take out rate

[JJ Flash]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

They suck up to high rollers at the casino as well.

small fry just have to suck up the dividend posted. nothing new. Plenty more races after that?

Its just the way it is as you say Gamma

[JJ Flash]

2 hours ago, Karrots said:

I’m in paddock on spell, but Trojan Horse walked by so close, close enough for Karrots to take a nip at him.

Some facts not fiction: Harness side

The last 100 topics on here, none have been started by JJ (Trojan Horse).

Yet JJ (Trojan Horse) has started 11 out of the last 25 topics on RC.

The latest topic JJ (Trojan Horse) started on RC was called “2y-os” - 20th Jan.

Karrots started a topic here called “2 y-os & yearling sales” - 13th Jan.

INTERESTING FACT, JJ (Trojan Horse), has never added to Karrots 2y-o topic here, not ONCE posted a comment.

Karrots turning around and swishing tail in Trojan Horse face on exit.

Your sounding and writing more and more like Chiefy every day. Enjoy your claytons break did you. MYA

[JJ Flash]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Two sides to every story.

Tell us yours then. 

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Its just the way it is as you say Gamma

It isn't actually because Gammalite isn't referring to the example under discussion which was very well answered in reply by MarkyMark.

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, JJ Flash said:

Tell us yours then. 

How can I when I don't even know who you are referring to that "know me personally"!

[JJ Flash]

1 hour ago, MarkyMark said:

your expert knowledge on most things

You have me confused with Chief, he's the know it on here and rightly so- he owns the place

It was one promo be which others could not get fixed on . Is it a big deal- to me no , to others obviously yes. 

[JJ Flash]

1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said:

How can I when I don't even know who you are referring to that "know me personally"!

Just do what you usually do- make it up and attack😃

Edited January 25, 2021 by JJ Flash

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, JJ Flash said:

Just do what you usually do- make it up

What the hell are you on about?  You posted that you knew people who knew me personally.  As for fiction I'll leave that to an expert like you.

[Karrots]

1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

Your sounding and writing more and more like Chiefy every day. Enjoy your claytons break did you. MYA

There is nothing really Karrots wants to talk about.  Next meeting isn’t for a few days & in North not til Thurs & its Camb yet again. Also it lets others have the opportunity to post & chat.

All that is going on here is arguing. You against me, you against Brodie, you against Chief & so on.

Now Trojan Horse is back to alluding to, I maybe Chief. Goodness me.

You NEVER HAVE ANSWERED A QUESTIONED I FIRED AT YOU RECENTLY WHEN FIRST STATING YOU ARE TROJAN HORSE.

WHY DO YOU POST ON BOAY?

What is your MOTIVATION to post HERE?

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION HONESTLY.

Please don’t turn it around, (not answering the question) which you do, and make tales up (fiction), and post personal attacks.

You are upset with me because I called you out as being a Trojan Horse.

What you are doing is incredibly UNFAIR on Chief. And on BOAY as a whole.

If RC want to upt their game and get peeps posting on harness side, get creative, do something, I don’t know, think of something, other than coming on here, smashing the windows on your way in, then trying to burn this house down & trying to take the people on your way out. (That is what BUGS me).

SORRY EVERYONE, Ill sign off now back Fri to post!!!

[Gammalite]

13 minutes ago, Karrots said:

There is nothing really Karrots wants to talk about.  Next meeting isn’t for a few days & in North not til Thurs & its Camb yet again. Also it lets others have the opportunity to post & chat.

All that is going on here is arguing. You against me, you against Brodie, you against Chief & so on.

Now Trojan Horse is back to alluding to, I maybe Chief. Goodness me.

You NEVER HAVE ANSWERED A QUESTIONED I FIRED AT YOU RECENTLY WHEN FIRST STATING YOU ARE TROJAN HORSE.

WHY DO YOU POST ON BOAY?

What is your MOTIVATION to post HERE?

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION HONESTLY.

Please don’t turn it around, (not answering the question) which you do, and make tales up (fiction), and post personal attacks.

You are upset with me because I called you out as being a Trojan Horse.

What you are doing is incredibly UNFAIR on Chief. And on BOAY as a whole.

If RC want to upt their game and get peeps posting on harness side, get creative, do something, I don’t know, think of something, other than coming on here, smashing the windows on your way in, then trying to burn this house down & trying to take the people on your way out. (That is what BUGS me).

SORRY EVERYONE, Ill sign off now back Fri to post!!!

Don't get so upset with it Karrots, All good. just a bit of fun. JJFlash has plenty of posts here , there , wherever. and doing fine. 

My guess is NO-ONE left this site because of the Flash. so probably don't read it like that 

Perhaps he meant you sound more like Chief because you and he, both have an Excellent eye for all the yearlings at the sales ? whether be thoroughbred or Standardbred. ........hehe

I use the Rossini  'WILLIAM TELL OVERTURE ' for motivation !! play that one and your horses seem to go Faster !!!

OR>>>>> When they get beat just kick in with a bit of Elton John and SAD SONGS (say so much) lol....... You can play either one while at BOAY. !!!

 

 

[MarkyMark]

2 hours ago, JJ Flash said:

You have me confused with Chief, he's the know it on here and rightly so- he owns the place

It was one promo be which others could not get fixed on . Is it a big deal- to me no , to others obviously yes. 

no, you do yourself no favors, and show yourself up to be a bit of a novice in this subject, and its consequences. And it is easy to see why others would feel aggrieved. It seems you are really struggling, and i dont think I can make it any more simple for you.

Initiative, experiment, rewards customers, offer exclusive options, yes offer these, they are great.  All the other competition offers this, bet365, tabcorp, ladbrokes to name a few, its nothing new.  But they arent doing this at the expense of another pool.  This is obvious, otherwise what you, you JJ are implying is that if you say they didnt offset this, they took on board the liability of the bet in a 1 man pool, which would never happen.  And none of the other agencies would operate this way, however in saying this most other outlets already offer fixed odds on quinellas.  

It affects others and the industry, how?? ill try and make it simple for you again, FFS im trying.

you are using a pool of money, to pay for an exclusive option to 1 customer, and reduce the offering to the punters who played into that pool, the only pool they could choose from via betting with the TAB.  This does not encourage punters to come back, as it is uncompetitive.  The TAB would further to this sent money in advertising begging patrons to bet exclusively with them.  Being competitive, and not taking silly takeouts will in turn generate greater betting revenue, which in turn will lead to more funds via distributions to the codes to prop up each area of racing, most importantly stakes, and making the industry self funded.

Very simple terms, but trying to break this down for you so you can see why it is important that the TAB be competitive and look after all it customers (except brodie)in the way of not further disadvantaging their wager via the tote they bet into

by god though you have copped a spanking today.

[MarkyMark]

and sorry, i keep forgetting to point this out, why its evident that the liability for the BGP bet was against the tote,

look at the quinella pool in the last race at ellerslie.  Was approximately 45k or thereabout higher than any other race for that day, but for that same race the win and place pool consistent with other races.

all you have to do is compare the pools, and you can clearly see that this is what they did. It would seem otherwise very very strange that the last race attracted immense, 40 to 45k worth of additional betting revenue to the quinella pool, but no change in the win and place pools, consistent card. 

If you still disagree JJ, and with you wealth of knowledge, and being an expert on all subjects,

explain how there was such a difference in wagering to the quinella tote on the last verse other races on the same card.

i look forward to your answer