Von Beynon strikes again with B. Orange story

[Davis]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Making the limit Zero won't change the number of deaths on the road greatly.  Just changes the cause label.  I guess Gammalite you are in the Covid-19 lock everyone down camp?

Yes, you are right. To change the subject a little. Many road deaths were blamed on foreign tourists, especially Asians. Last year, there were few foreign tourists yet the road toll increased. Another failure for this government who promised to sort out the roads and bring the toll down. What happened?

[the galah]

10 minutes ago, Davis said:

Yes, you are right. To change the subject a little. Many road deaths were blamed on foreign tourists, especially Asians. Last year, there were few foreign tourists yet the road toll increased. Another failure for this government who promised to sort out the roads and bring the toll down. What happened?

The number of deaths on nz roads has gone down in the last couple of years. You may be referring to the latest xmas road toll figures compared to the previous year.  I was reading in the mckenzie district, police put the decreased road toll in 2020 down to less tourists.

[the galah]

Just now, the galah said:

The number of deaths on nz roads has gone down in the last couple of years. You may be referring to the latest xmas road toll figures compared to the previous year. For example, in the mckenzie district, police put the decreased road toll in 2020 down to less tourists.

 

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, Davis said:

Another failure for this government who promised to sort out the roads and bring the toll down. What happened?

Nothing will happen because there isn't really much that can be done.  The reality is that probably half the people on the roads are actually poorly trained drivers. 

Although the zero road toll goal is admirable it is impossible to attain.  There will always be road deaths because statistically there will always be accidents when you have vehicles travelling at 80km/h plus travelling towards each a metre a part on the same road.

That's why I find the mcg standard for harness drivers being so ludicrous.

[Gammalite]

10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Nothing will happen because there isn't really much that can be done.  The reality is that probably half the people on the roads are actually poorly trained drivers. 

Although the zero road toll goal is admirable it is impossible to attain.  There will always be road deaths because statistically there will always be accidents when you have vehicles travelling at 80km/h plus travelling towards each a metre a part on the same road.

That's why I find the mcg standard for harness drivers being so ludicrous.

Would you seriously UP the threshold for race drivers chief , ???? to that of the road ?

and then run the risk of 'Bad judgement" of people still driving over that limit when 'thinking' (i call it Not Thinking) that they are FINE to drive?

Surely better to drop the road threshold back to the mild trots level would be better. (ZERO% the BEST level)

IMAGINE in a race , with some 'drunk driver' sticking his wheel under your horses legs ????? your life in their hands for the sake of a few drinks ?? HAVE a beer after the races FCS.

[Chief Stipe]

31 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

IMAGINE in a race , with some 'drunk driver' sticking his wheel under your horses legs ????? your life in their hands for the sake of a few drinks ?? HAVE a beer after the races FCS.

Orange wasn't DRUNK.  As for a driver sticking his wheels under the legs of your horse FFS that's happening now with shit sober drivers! 

So you are saying that 101 mcg is too drunk to drive or ride a horse but OK to drive a horse float?

Hell I know where you will be sourcing our up and coming drivers!

PS:  Has Lamb ever been breathalysed before or after one of infamous starts?

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

o you are saying that 101 mcg is too drunk to drive or ride a horse but OK to drive a horse float?

YES,  that is correct !!!!   The Rules are different, and you are actually doing a different TASK chief.

as for your up and coming drivers , well for Under 20 year olds on the road here in OZ, the limit is ZERO already. Should / would be the same in a horse race I really hope??????. (WHy not for all ages then, and make it Completely safe !! even nuns could drive !!! lol........  fun photo you found, (is that returning to scale Avondale?)

and avoid the dreaded BLAIR BLUNDERS altogeather. !!!!!!!!!

 

[Chief Stipe]

In my opinion if you make rules that are incongruous with those that you expect from the rest of society then you open yourself up for the unjust and unwarranted criticism.   You provide fodder for the journo hacks like Van Dutch.

At one time drivers who had been convicted of EBA were named and shamed in a printed list in the paper.  It was the job of the junior reporter to scurry around and find if someone on the list was noteworthy and or deserving of a few paragraphs.  That has fallen by the wayside partly because sometimes the printing of a name had far reaching consequences above and beyond the fine or disqualification.

That's why it leaves a sow taste in my mouth when I see the RIU on what seem crusades nailing participants for things other than that which directly pertains to the integrity of the sport.

Is it any wonder that young people don't want to work in the industry?

[Gammalite]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

In my opinion if you make rules that are incongruous with those that you expect from the rest of society then you open yourself up for the unjust and unwarranted criticism.   You provide fodder for the journo hacks like Van Dutch.

At one time drivers who had been convicted of EBA were named and shamed in a printed list in the paper.  It was the job of the junior reporter to scurry around and find if someone on the list was noteworthy and or deserving of a few paragraphs.  That has fallen by the wayside partly because sometimes the printing of a name had far reaching consequences above and beyond the fine or disqualification.

That's why it leaves a sow taste in my mouth when I see the RIU on what seem crusades nailing participants for things other than that which directly pertains to the integrity of the sport.

Is it any wonder that young people don't want to work in the industry?

Blair made a mistake (twice) and YES it would be great if the journo didn't report it as is detrimental to harness racing.

But it's a pretty big error by a leading driver and big news when he gets the penalty coming. (and the Penalty suffered by punters as some of the BOAY posters said already)

I was Trying to come up with a solution to avoid recurrence . Don't 'dance with limits' being the easy one.

If I was in a race with someone been drinking , I'd swack em with the Whip so hard they'd probably want to bail out, then I would hopefully win and pay the UNAPPROVED use of the Whip fine...... lol

[Blossom lady]

16 hours ago, Karrots said:

So what it be I know you are reading this Von Beynon. You want to take Karrots on?

Lets take a risk assessment on it for a second.

You right ok cool.

You wrong you lose you job.

Karrots watching you. 

 

I swear you are getting sillier and sillier with each post you make!

why attack mvb ? He's only writing what he thinks is newsworthy. Let's face it the majority of the population couldn't care less about harness racing. If the industry participants stopped shooting themselves in the foot mvb would have nothing to write about.

unfortunately he is going to have a field day this year.

 

[Blossom lady]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Orange wasn't DRUNK.  As for a driver sticking his wheels under the legs of your horse FFS that's happening now with shit sober drivers! 

So you are saying that 101 mcg is too drunk to drive or ride a horse but OK to drive a horse float?

Hell I know where you will be sourcing our up and coming drivers!

PS:  Has Lamb ever been breathalysed before or after one of infamous starts?

Ok he wasn't drunk when stood down at mot. But hearing from other party goers from the night before he was "legless".

How do we know the level of hangover he had or at what capacity he could operate on Sunday.even when not 100% he would drive better than most but what if there was some sort of incident and it hot out how drunk he was the night before. I can see how the lower limit is protecting racing and it's partipants.

Orange knows full well what the level is and he only has himself to blame.

 

[Big Bang]

Van Beynen is a scum bag with no moral compass. 

Worse however is the person who rings him like an excited schoolgirl every time something happens and thus spoon feeds him the news tip..

Even worse is that word around the traps is that very person could be someone who has posted on this thread and has a clear disdain for the industry and the majority of it's participants...

[whiplash smile]

I wouldnt trust the result unless it was one of the expensive intoxilizer s that the police use and even those will shave of 50 to 100 on the second blow,  Thats why only that result can be used in a criminal conviction.

But Blair should have taken extra precaution from previous history but as someone suggested after INCA he may not care as much as he once would of.

Hes at the top of his game and should have hid in dexters suitcase!

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Blossom lady said:

unfortunately he is going to have a field day this year.

How much longer do we have to wait for an INCA result?  Bloody long tunnel they are digging looking for gold!

[Levelplayingfield]

What the hell has driving a car got to do with driving a horse in a race?? They are not the same thing and you need different licences to drive either A horse is a animal and for safety reasons need people who are sober and with no hangovers to be handling them full stop Davis stop blaming other people for what Orange and Butt broke the rules and not the person who wrote the article. We need honest conversations instead of trying to cover everything up with the bullshit positive stories attitude that you and others think Is the best thing to do

 

 

[Blossom lady]

35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

How much longer do we have to wait for an INCA result?  Bloody long tunnel they are digging looking for gold!

I’m not talking about Inca.

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Big Bang said:

Van Beynen is a scum bag with no moral compass. 

Worse however is the person who rings him like an excited schoolgirl every time something happens and thus spoon feeds him the news tip..

Even worse is that word around the traps is that very person could be someone who has posted on this thread and has a clear disdain for the industry and the majority of it's participants...

Could it be Long owner???.  with comments on this thread like "likely gypsy bottom feeder trainers who cannot drive or train...Jealous stichers are no good".  That could be the giveaway clear disdain of many within the industry you refer to?

Edited January 26, 2021 by the galah

[whiplash smile]

4 minutes ago, the galah said:

Could it be Long owner???.  with comments on this thread like "likely gypsy bottom feeder trainers who cannot drive or train...Jealous stichers are no good".  That could be the clear disdain of many within the industry you refer to?

Craig Kennet ???

[Chief Stipe]

8 minutes ago, Blossom lady said:

I’m not talking about Inca.

Oh right because I guess INCA is in the Spitfire league.  Lots of starts and no wins.

So are you purely speculating or have an "inside source" or are you relying on the something happens eventually strategy?

[Ludwig]

2 hours ago, Big Bang said:

Van Beynen is a scum bag with no moral compass. 

Worse however is the person who rings him like an excited schoolgirl every time something happens and thus spoon feeds him the news tip..

Even worse is that word around the traps is that very person could be someone who has posted on this thread and has a clear disdain for the industry and the majority of it's participants...

At least Mr Van Beynen gets a reaction. People are suddenly talking about harness racing, especially on this site. Unlike the people who post positive, constructive, non abusive things....they just largely get ignored. 

[hunterthepunter]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

Could it be Long owner???.  with comments on this thread like "likely gypsy bottom feeder trainers who cannot drive or train...Jealous stichers are no good".  That could be the giveaway clear disdain of many within the industry you refer to?

how da hell do you come up with long owner ? don't  think he is sired buy farm timer

[Brodie]

11 hours ago, Richie said:

Although when driving a car you arent travelling with other vehicles in such close proximity as what horses race in.Also alot more protection in a vehicle and I'm sure there a lot of other reasons could be found .Imagine if we had the 3second rule for following in horse racing.lol.Im happy with the limit being set at 100 as everybody knows what the limit is and it is up to licence holders to make themselves aware of and adhere to the limit.

How was Blair meant to know he was 120 mcg rather than the 100mcg limit?

it was so little over and is a pretty seasoned drinker, so wouldve thought he was fine!!

[Brodie]

9 hours ago, the galah said:

So do you think your argument should apply to anyone who drives a car,everyone having their own legal limit?Or just to harness drivers?

No,  but Blair Orange at 120mcg is not going to be any problem to other drivers on the track!

Yes he tested over the 100mcg by 20mcg which is buggerall and here some are thinking that he was going to be a menace on the track!!!!

I could give you a long list of drivers that should not even be out on the track driving even totally sober!

 

[Davis]

8 hours ago, the galah said:

The number of deaths on nz roads has gone down in the last couple of years. You may be referring to the latest xmas road toll figures compared to the previous year.  I was reading in the mckenzie district, police put the decreased road toll in 2020 down to less tourists.

Yes, thank you Galah. I meant over the holiday period but senior moment meant I left that out. Thanks again.

[MarkyMark]

most professional athletes and sportsmen are required to be free of drugs, and have no alcohol in their system.

In my view a driver should be required to present at raceday free of drugs with no alcohol in the system. 

It protects the integrity of the sport, and stops doubt.  Doubt in relation to any concern over tha drivers ability to drive, and provide confidence to all participants that "alcohol and drugs" have no bearing on any outcome.

It would also help with the reputation of the industry.  Harness has a poor reputation, there shouldnt be any discretion for alcohol.  If you have a zero tolerance, then there can be no confusion for drivers.  If I was betting on a race, or was an owner of a horse in the race, and knew that any driver had a reading above zero i would want out.

its not hard, nor rocket science. If you want it to be a proffesional sport, with integrity, and helping give confidence to all participants, then no brainer, zero tolerance.