Another Van Beynon harness story

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

I had opportunity to be a VIC harness steward

Maybe you declining the opportunity was caused by a pang of conscious telling you that you weren't beyond reproach yourself!

[Gammalite]

4 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

I just would of liked to Pull apart drivers/tactics in a race as a steward, Just like any good BOAY poster!!!!  lol...... 

P.S   BTW Brodster in your rant about ROBBIE HOLMES drive on Silk last Friday , and needing RIU attention.

You forgot to mention Matty Williamson 's part in that Charge for the lead ????  His horse SWELL TIME in race 8 at the Met last Friday , got that tired , the horse gave up pacing altogeather on the home turn !!!!!  hahahahaha

Share the blame I think??  couldn't they have spoken just after the start? would of saved that pain.

[Rangatira]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Did Matt Anderson win a National Premiership???

skid won the nz probationary drivers premiership in 1976 & 1977

matt won it in 2018

[Rangatira]

39 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Does anyone know if anyone has challenged the following rule in court under the Human Rights Act on the basis of discrimination?  Seems to me to be only two rules stopping Anderson from a comeback.

Rule 115:  Undesirable Persons
No person declared by the Board to be an undesirable person shall be employed by any Club or Body bound by these Rules and no person whose employment or engagement by Club or Body bound by these Rules and no person whose employment or engagement by declared by the Board to be undesirable as contrary to the interests of harness racing shall be so employed or engaged.

Rule 311 (3) 
(3) A Public Trainer's Licence or a Licence To Train shall not be granted to any person who does not satisfy the Board by the production of acceptable written evidence that he is financially sound and of good character.

brodster is a human rights campaigner and my go to guy for all things human rights when commonsense escapes me

Edited January 29, 2021 by Rangatira

[Ludwig]

15 hours ago, Dougie said:

I have no issue with the article, I have an issue with industry participants like Anderson and Kerr acting like sooks and wanting sympathy when they have knowingly and willingly brought the industry down yet have the nerve to cry foul when the punishment in there eyes is to harsh.... how about you piss off and get a different job. no matter how good a driver and potential trainer you think you are your actions and choices over the last few years show you only give a toss about yourself Matt Anderson and any potential owners would have to be bonkers to invest in you.

Well said. I don't have an issue with a reporter/journalist doing their job....I would have an issue with a journalist who didn't investigate and report on such matters.

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

Well said. I don't have an issue with a reporter/journalist doing their job....I would have an issue with a journalist who didn't investigate and report on such matters.

So you have an issue with this Journalist then?  

[Ludwig]

35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So you have an issue with this Journalist then?  

No, not at all.

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

No, not at all.

But he isn't "doing his job" is he?  Afterall if he was he'd be investigating and reporting on the failure of INCA.

This latest article isn't him "doing his job" either.  It isn't news and it is a rehash of what has already been reported.  Or is his objective, which some may have sympathy with, is to keep Anderson from returning to racing?  Is that fair?  Or is it Woodham not doing his job but testing public opinion and do a hatchet trial by media job?

[boobybec]

Check out the below link.  Stuff journo's need to get a life!!

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/300214956/common-sense-dictates-greyhound-racing-and-pokie-machines-must-be-scrapped#comments

[Chief Stipe]

opinion

 

Common sense dictates greyhound racing and pokie machines must be scrapped

Glenn McConnell05:00, Jan 28 2021

 

 

 

Play Video

LAWRENCE SMITH/STUFF

Former pokies addict Michael Demchy on his struggle with gambling away a fortune in machines. (Video first published in 2018)

OPINION: I don’t really like dogs. They’re needy and often smelly. They’re also loud, and if they’re not killing native birds, they’re urinating in the street.

My view on greyhound racing, and horse racing too, isn’t due to any obsession with the animals. The arguments against these forms of racing, but greyhounds especially, are overpowering.

They’re pointless forms of sport, bringing pain to the animals and also supporters. They’re sports which feed off compulsive gamblers, turning their families’ sorrows into cash for the racing industry’s elite.

WARWICK SMITH/STUFF

Greyhound racing should be banned, writes columnist Glenn McConnell.

There’s no two ways about it, sadly. Horse and dog racing isn’t about sport and it’s barely a form of entertainment.

 

It’s a morally bankrupt industry working hard to make a penny from bankrupting its own supporters.

The TAB says a “small minority” of its customers “suffer some degree of harm”. Exact figures of harm are hard to come by. The Problem Gambling Foundation argues, from the people it sees each year, that a signifiant minority of punters have a problem with gambling.

 

The foundation says it sees the people “on rock bottom”, losing their homes, losing their families, in debt.

A Department of Internal Affairs report found less than 2 per cent of the country had a gambling problem. Which sounds OK, only because most of the country doesn’t bet on anything other than Lotto.

When it comes to the TAB’s customers, casino and pokie players – those involved in what the department calls “higher risk gambling – it says up to 30 per cent of gamblers have a problem.

That is no “small minority”. A one-in-three chance of addiction is bad odds.

The department warns, “published figures tend to underestimate actual problem gambling prevalence”.

But the problem is clearly sizeable. And the risks of problem gambling do not stop at losing your money. The department says it snowballs, affecting families and businesses. Gambling addiction can lead to poor mental health, further addictions, and suicide.

This is unlikely to surprise you, given that the sharp edge of gambling is well publicised but also well felt in communities throughout the nation. It affects the wealthy and poor, you don’t need to look far.

 

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It’s hard to see what social good comes from the pokies, writes Glenn McConnell.

When we know an activity is risky and can cause serious harm, we need to look at whether its benefits outweigh that cost.

I’m all for calculated risks.

After all, I don’t mind an occasional wager myself. The mega-Lotto draw during lockdown kept me entertained, I spent a few months trying to get good at Texas Hold’em, and I’ve seen enough James Bond movies to see the allure of ritzy casinos.

Should the Government be gambling with public health to reap the TAB’s rewards? Is the risk of addiction and animal harm worth the payouts the TAB returns to sporting and the community created through racing?

In the case of greyhounds, obviously not. There are few eager spectators and little fanfare with the dogs’ race, so no community benefit is gleaned on the track.

Does the sport bring benefit to the contestants? To the contrary, it kills them. Greyhound Racing’s annual report admitted 214 dogs were euthanised in its last season. The industry noted this was a marked improvement. The previous year 351 greyhounds were euthanised.

The numbers are staggeringly high. And the only reason I can see that the greyhound industry has got away with such disregard for its animals is that no-one really watches the sport.

It seems like a warm-up act for horse races, used by the TAB to keep something on the TV so its gamblers have a constant stream of new races to bet on.

To summarise, greyhound racing is bad for the dogs, bad for the punters, and, due to the small or non-existent crowds it attracts, we can assume it provides little entertainment value. It’s a bad bet.

 

LAWRENCE SMITH/STUFF

Glenn McConnell: ‘’Is the risk of addiction and animal harm worth the payouts the TAB returns to sporting and the community created through racing?’’

Horse racing has similar issue for animals, with horses often injuring themselves and subsequently being killed. The sport also relies on horses literally being whipped.

Combined, racing bets at the TAB reached $1.6 billion in the last financial year. There’s a lot of money to be made from two sports very few people watch live. But horse racing does appear to bring communities together and major races attract national attention.

It’s a sport that’s no doubt on the way out, but at least it can bring people together for a day at the races.

Greyhounds can’t say as much. Like pub pokie machines, the main contribution made by the hounds appears to be social harm.

These two activities exist, in my opinion, for the sake of gambling and gambling alone. They’re the last-stop shop, a service to give the most hardcore gamblers something to do when other sports aren’t playing, or when your family thought you were off to the supermarket.

The cost of the Government protecting these forms of gambling is huge, and there is no foreseeable payoff. These are bad odds that only a fool would bet on.

 

 

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[Chief Stipe]

That's not Journalism it is Activism and Opinion masquerading as Journalism.

[Ludwig]

1 hour ago, boobybec said:

Check out the below link.  Stuff journo's need to get a life!!

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/300214956/common-sense-dictates-greyhound-racing-and-pokie-machines-must-be-scrapped#comments

So we should only hear from writers who produce stories that take your particular viewpoint? Interesting. I like variety and diversity of views.

[Ludwig]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

But he isn't "doing his job" is he?  Afterall if he was he'd be investigating and reporting on the failure of INCA.

This latest article isn't him "doing his job" either.  It isn't news and it is a rehash of what has already been reported.  Or is his objective, which some may have sympathy with, is to keep Anderson from returning to racing?  Is that fair?  Or is it Woodham not doing his job but testing public opinion and do a hatchet trial by media job?

No one is forcing you to read his articles.

[boobybec]

20 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

No one is forcing you to read his articles.

This is a racing forum last time i checked ........ yes people have their own opinions, absolutely.  Oh that's right this is a racing forum ..... 

 

[Chief Stipe]

29 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

No one is forcing you to read his articles.

That isn't the point.  I'd be happy to read a lot more of his articles but they all seem to have the same angle.  As in "Put the boot into the the industry workers" and ignore the bigger issues.

[Newmarket]

19 hours ago, Karrots said:

I have already read about M Anderson about the strangle thing and drug thing in previous articles, along with others members of the public.

My suggestion would be for Harness NZ to go to the Racing Minster about this journo.

That is now 6 negative articles in 6 months.

How many jobs does this industry employ & how much $ does it bring to the economy again?

How much did the govt recently give to racing not that long ago?

A reprieve, a balance or as the idiom goes to cut the head off the snake, would all be options to discuss.

Only 6 negative articles in 6 months, lucky he didnt write about them all. 
Nah, I have no sympathy on this, need to make a stand. 
This shit in harness racing going on too long, suspend them longer, they what soon know what is expected of them.

[Brodie]

VB is a plonker!

He is feeding off the titbits that some lowlife is feeding him!

Who has told VB about the meeting with Gary Woodham?

This is not something that is newsworthy at all!,

Is is  any wonder the Press is dead.

The level of journalism nowadays is so low.

Look at the crap we get every bloody day about  the killer virus in NZ, they are in the governments pocket, scared to say anything against it!!

Edited January 29, 2021 by Brodie

[Ludwig]

3 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Only 6 negative articles in 6 months, lucky he didnt write about them all. 
Nah, I have no sympathy on this, need to make a stand. 
This shit in harness racing going on too long, suspend them longer, they what soon know what is expected of the

If the likes of Messers Anderson, McGrath, Orange, Kerr and co sorted themselves out, Mr Van Beynen would have to find other stories. Harness racing needs to stop giving him so much ammunition.

[Brodie]

2 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

If the likes of Messers Anderson, McGrath, Orange, Kerr and co sorted themselves out, Mr Van Beynen would have to find other stories. Harness racing needs to stop giving him so much ammunition.

Why doesnt  he write stories about the dishonest lawyers and accountants and financial advisers as there are alot more of them!

Na, harness racing as I have a snitch!

[Karrots]

10 hours ago, Brodie said:

Maybe we should not be mentioning this Dickhead Van Beynon?

Someone should dig up some shit about this clown!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/96988656/word-is-out-the-death-of-gossip-in-new-zealand

This is GOLD. Brods this is what you have to do lol. Get a rude photomontage of him - just joking. Might send him packing too. Googled her name after this thread brought back memories.

The rivalry between the writers came to an unusual head in 2006, when Saunders received an anonymous letter, containing a rude photomontage of her.  (Looks like she left 2 years later). 

"Gossip is what no one claims to like - but everyone enjoys. '"Interestingly, Saunders, who was once so ubiquitous around Auckland, has seemingly vanished, and none of her former colleagues know her whereabouts.

[Karrots]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Only 6 negative articles in 6 months, lucky he didnt write about them all. 
Nah, I have no sympathy on this, need to make a stand. 
This shit in harness racing going on too long, suspend them longer, they what soon know what is expected of them.

Hey Newmarket,

Fair enough, however its not my point re sympathy for them. I agree Harness needs integrity. I am talking about the writer as a whole towards harness & how he is going about his way writing with no balance, all negativity. 

[whiplash smile]

9 minutes ago, Karrots said:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/96988656/word-is-out-the-death-of-gossip-in-new-zealand

This is GOLD. Brods this is what you have to do lol. Get a rude photomontage of him - just joking. Might send him packing too. Googled her name after this thread brought back memories.

The rivalry between the writers came to an unusual head in 2006, when Saunders received an anonymous letter, containing a rude photomontage of her.  (Looks like she left 2 years later). 

"Gossip is what no one claims to like - but everyone enjoys. '"Interestingly, Saunders, who was once so ubiquitous around Auckland, has seemingly vanished, and none of her former colleagues know her whereabouts.

probably the poison dwarf after she called him Aucklands most hated man. (prob not wrong!)

[Karrots]

Nominations for the equivalent journo for galloping land & also doggie land?

To meet criteria candidates must have in past 6 months, 6+ or more, negative articles. (if your candidate has written a positive article during this time, then they do not meet criteria sorry).

* Could just be someone talking to someone - no problem.

* Or change of a rule - small minority asking for review - no problem.

If you think of a candidate to put forward please nom here 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Karrots

[Karrots]

6 hours ago, Karrots said:

Nominations for the equivalent journo for galloping land & also doggie land?

To meet criteria candidates must have in past 6 months, 6+ or more, negative articles. (if your candidate has written a positive article during this time, then they do not meet criteria sorry).

* Could just be someone talking to someone - no problem.

* Or change of a rule - small minority asking for review - no problem.

If you think of a candidate to put forward please nom here 

Nominations have been extended until tomorrow 9am. A Junior concession has been added. Any Junior journo can have just 5 negative articles. 

So rating band R6 or R5 with Junior concession. 

Articles that name and shame only within industry media are not counted towards the rating band. 

[Dunedin]

Another story today.mitchell suicide is not the answer to your gambling problems which resulted in millions owing to Aussie bookies and ripping of national heros.