Doomed Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 I do like Jamie Richards, he will be a terrible loss to NZ racing. After Sword of State won the half wit interviewer said "what do put his failure in Aussie down to?". Jamie said "the quality of horses over there, its a bit easier here." He's a class act, one of the best interview answers I have seen. 1 1 Quote
Huey Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Doomed said: I do like Jamie Richards, he will be a terrible loss to NZ racing. After Sword of State won the half wit interviewer said "what do put his failure in Aussie down to?". Jamie said "the quality of horses over there, its a bit easier here." He's a class act, one of the best interview answers I have seen. Agree classy accurate reply , I thought Rodley knew better. 1 Quote
nomates Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, Doomed said: I do like Jamie Richards, he will be a terrible loss to NZ racing. After Sword of State won the half wit interviewer said "what do put his failure in Aussie down to?". Jamie said "the quality of horses over there, its a bit easier here." He's a class act, one of the best interview answers I have seen. Yeah , none of the corporate speak , will be a huge loss but eventually Australia will be his home and he is good enough . It will be interesting to see how things change if any when Walker comes back . Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 Richards is going to have to step to another level in Hong Kong 8f he is going to be successful. In NZ he has a proven team behind and around him. Honkers is a different kettle of fish. Quote
Freda Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Richards is going to have to step to another level in Hong Kong 8f he is going to be successful. In NZ he has a proven team behind and around him. Honkers is a different kettle of fish. I disagree. I think he'll be fine. There will be pressure on him, sure, but the pressure on him now must be enormous. At least he will be his own boss. 5 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Freda said: I disagree. I think he'll be fine. There will be pressure on him, sure, but the pressure on him now must be enormous. At least he will be his own boss. You underestimate the power of the team. He will have a lot more management stuff to worry about rather than focussing on training. Time will tell. 1 Quote
curious Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You underestimate the power of the team. He will have a lot more management stuff to worry about rather than focussing on training. Time will tell. He's well up to it. Good luck to him. 3 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, curious said: He's well up to it. Good luck to him. I'm willing to take a bet that he will be back in 2 or 3 years. OZ was his next step not Hong Kong. Quote
mumbles Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 I wonder if any of his present staff can go with him. I know his fathers not he's going to train on his own but of the others does anybody know? Quote
holy ravioli Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 16 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I'm willing to take a bet that he will be back in 2 or 3 years. OZ was his next step not Hong Kong. Paul O'sullivan seems to have handled things o.k....with very average results. Quote
nod Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 He has done well here with a team of 185 very expensive animals --not many NZ trainers have that platform to work with. In Hongkong he will be lucky to have an average team to work I wish them well 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 Well I wouldn't go as far as some and predict he'll be so successful he'll win a premiership up there. It's a totally different kettle of fish Hong Kong. High Temperature, High Humidity, horses stabled most of their lives - no spelling in the lush green paddocks of the Waikato. What he did and learnt in the Waikato won't transfer to Hong Kong. My understanding is horses are pre-bought by the HKJC and then auctioned again I.e. you don't get to pick and choose the type you want but have to buy from what the HKJC vendors purchased. Perhaps Jamie will fly DC Ellis up to select his horses! How much scope does a Hong Kong trainer have to source their own horses? Add to that the distance between family and friends back in NZ. The politics of working with the Chinese and the cultural nuances. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 Didn't Paul O'Sullivan win the Trainers Premiership in NZ eleven times? How many times has he won it in Hong Kong in 18 years? Quote
nod Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 You need to obtain a permit to race a horse in Hongkong Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, nod said: You need to obtain a permit to race a horse in Hongkong Ummm your point? Quote
mumbles Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) I may have missed it but has it been reported if Te Akau tried to keep Richards or was it the case that Richards wanted to go or the offer/challenge was to big to turn down.? Edited January 23, 2022 by mumbles Quote
nod Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Ummm your point? Rather obvious, you suggested that Richards would Fly Ellis up to buy horses You need JC permit to race in HK and they are not easily obtained with many waiting years Quote
holy ravioli Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 Fly Ellis up to buy horses!....do behave. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, nod said: Rather obvious, you suggested that Richards would Fly Ellis up to buy horses You need JC permit to race in HK and they are not easily obtained with many waiting years Yes it is obvious - that's why I said SELECT his horses NOT BUY them. Quote
Bill Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Well I wouldn't go as far as some and predict he'll be so successful he'll win a premiership up there. It's a totally different kettle of fish Hong Kong. High Temperature, High Humidity, horses stabled most of their lives - no spelling in the lush green paddocks of the Waikato. What he did and learnt in the Waikato won't transfer to Hong Kong. My understanding is horses are pre-bought by the HKJC and then auctioned again I.e. you don't get to pick and choose the type you want but have to buy from what the HKJC vendors purchased. Perhaps Jamie will fly DC Ellis up to select his horses! How much scope does a Hong Kong trainer have to source their own horses? Add to that the distance between family and friends back in NZ. The politics of working with the Chinese and the cultural nuances. You’re wrong again! read the link - https://member.hkjc.com/member/english/horse-owner/news-and-announcements/content.aspx/20160205184103 You have to be a member then apply for a permit for either a unraced horse or a raced horse. the club doesn’t doesn’t pre buy horses unless they are the ones they sell in their twice yearly sale which is not many. They buy them, break them in here in New Zealand, the Southern Hemisphere ones anyway and then send them to HK, breeze them up and auction them. any agent on behalf of an owner / or owner themselves can buy a horse from anywhere depending on the permit they have. PP - raced. PPG unraced. Edited January 23, 2022 by Bill 2 Quote
Bill Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Well I wouldn't go as far as some and predict he'll be so successful he'll win a premiership up there. It's a totally different kettle of fish Hong Kong. High Temperature, High Humidity, horses stabled most of their lives - no spelling in the lush green paddocks of the Waikato. What he did and learnt in the Waikato won't transfer to Hong Kong. My understanding is horses are pre-bought by the HKJC and then auctioned again I.e. you don't get to pick and choose the type you want but have to buy from what the HKJC vendors purchased. Perhaps Jamie will fly DC Ellis up to select his horses! How much scope does a Hong Kong trainer have to source their own horses? Add to that the distance between family and friends back in NZ. The politics of working with the Chinese and the cultural nuances. As for trainers buying their own horses, have a look at the sales results. Trainers like Ricky Yiu, Dennis Yip etc have always brought horses from NZB as yearlings or ready to runs. Jamie Richards will fly there. It will take a bit of time but they don’t invest in fools do they jockey club…hence why they are world leaders. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Bill said: hence why they are world leaders. World leaders in what exactly? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Bill said: You’re wrong again! "Wrong again" about what specifically? Right so the club does buy horses and resells them. Is it 10% of the total or more? 6 hours ago, Bill said: any agent on behalf of an owner / or owner themselves can buy a horse from anywhere depending on the permit they have So Richards may be able to utilise the services of Te Akau in purchasing stock FOR permitted members? Either way the point is Richards will have a lot more to manage than just training. As for the HKJC being world leaders I can only assume you mean in terms of wagering revenue. Very easy to do that when you are essentially the only approved gambling outlet in a very large population where gambling is a cultural phenomenon. The HKJC may not select fools not that anyone has suggested Richards is a fool. However is it not true that more than one trainer was approached to train by the HKJC and were turned down? A difficult time politically to be heading to Hong Kong. Quote
Huey Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 10 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Fly Ellis up to buy horses!....do behave. Exactly, if he was that good the ones he buys in Aus would be lighting up the world over there, more competitive level playing field over there however , they are just another stable not a behemoth amongst minnows. I thought most people in the industry realised TA success is largely based on buying high quality yearlings in volume, something no other stable in NZ seems to be able to achieve. Quote
KickintheKods Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 I though Henry Peachtree's comment re Ellis (after their success at the weekend) was interesting: "David does buy a few at value" Quote
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