Are the A/W's already becoming a white elephant ???

[Joe Bloggs]

37 minutes ago, nomates said:

I like it , at least it's a plan , only one stumbling block , someone's not going to happy with you opening her place up as a backpackers , good luck with that bit .

Perhaps we can all take our horses to the Gold Coast for next years carnival and we can all crash at your place , Mrs Bloggs might not be to happy , but who cares , that's your problem . 

Listen mate, if they all bring a 20lt drum of whitebait I'll send Mrs Bloggs to purgatory for a month, that's all I miss, the whitebait, oh those lovely whitebait fritters........Pam's ok with it all, I've run it past her, all ya need is a flagon of Johnnie Walker Blue and a sleeping bag, but she wants 20% of all prize money.......but you'll get a sachet of AWT to take home, you could always dry it out and smoke it...that what they do on cold Canterbury nights apparently...or they will soon ......

[Reefton]

2 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Tellyawhat, why not transfer the Woodville/Trentham meeting to Riccarton? and do it now? give them a taste of what real racing is all about, subsidise the horses, throw in some real accommodation for owners trainers, bring along the CD riders that can sit on.....Parks and Allpress, Destination Canterbury could stump up, make it an expo, fancy dress on Fri night, Cantabs come as you are.......huge Calcutta and huge discounted liquor.......savoury saveloys and party pies and then everyone back to Pam's place for poker and blackjack, and those that can't make it back to their subsidised accommodation can crash on Pams sofa, floor, feed room.......but no pissing on the stable bedding, or any bedding for that matter, now if this doesn't make sense you're all arseholes with no view to the future, cos this is how we did it in the past, eh Nomates? and loved every bit of it.....ye haaaaa

there is a little piece of water inbetween that might make an unpleasant interlude for both the neddies and the connections given the weather at the moment

Unless they get Sheik Mohamed's Jumbo Jet horse carrier out for a couple of days and fly them down

[Reefton]

3 hours ago, Huey said:

This is absolutely great they do this , but they have to start getting off their butts and being more proactive. Where are the replacement meetings going to be held? It's absolutely essential that $$s are flowing through the industry somehow, Hawera called off twice now, Woodville and many others also.

They are simply too unflexible and have thus dug themselves into a hole with the track situation,  largely caused by the incompetence of BS and his Venue plan with a touch of the M report to really ram it home.

Surely the new CEO has enough sense and is brave enough to open the industry up again and properly utilize all its assets?

It's not good enough to continually blame the weather or tell the industry Trentham remains open , there surely needs to be a plan for this? How do we have a CEO & COO and hear or see absolutely no progress or backup plans for the industry? It's becoming beyond a clown show.

 

3 hours ago, curious said:

Exactly. Why has the meeting not been transferred to another track?

Because at this time of year they are almost certainly losing money on meetings so why would they want replacements?  No shit no keep the money in the bank for more pies.

They don't care how many meetings get abandoned especially when they are the country venues.  If they can destroy the meagre remaining enthusiasm in the likes of the Hawera and Woodville committees they will be able to seize their assets all the sooner and be able to hand them over to Race and its ilk to piss up against the wall.  And as for the owners/trainers/connections waiting for opportunities - well they have been given shiite treatment for the last twenty plus years so why consider them?

To be fair though what are the options for replacement fixtures with the standard of weather we have been having in this country in the last few weeks?  Pretty tough to find a reasonably dry venue in the lower NI I would have thought? The days of ploughing through knee deep mud, piss poor jockey visibility and/or copping surface water in Jockey's faces are long gone and I wouldn't be holding my breath for Trentham to run if this keeps up.

[Freda]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

I like it , at least it's a plan , only one stumbling block , someone's not going to happy with you opening her place up as a backpackers , good luck with that bit .

She's used to that, all good,  I'll check it out with the dogs, if they're cool with sharing their couch, it's a goer.

I might even do a boil-up.

Perhaps we can all take our horses to the Gold Coast for next years carnival and we can all crash at your place , Mrs Bloggs might not be to happy , but who cares , that's your problem . 

 

[Joe Bloggs]

1 hour ago, Reefton said:

there is a little piece of water inbetween that might make an unpleasant interlude for both the neddies and the connections given the weather at the moment

Unless they get Sheik Mohamed's Jumbo Jet horse carrier out for a couple of days and fly them down

That'll work!

[curious]

29 minutes ago, Freda said:

 

Hell. I might even rock up for the boil up. Probably crash in the tack room though rather than dislodge the dogs. Should be all good if I can keep the chooks out.

I could do the 3am feed and you could have a sleep in.

Edited July 12, 2022 by curious

[nomates]

50 minutes ago, Freda said:

She's used to that, all good,  I'll check it out with the dogs, if they're cool with sharing their couch, it's a goer.

I might even do a boil-up.

 

Fantastic , if the dogs are up for it and no one has jumped in yet i would like first dibs at the couch , me and the dog , sweet , my wife will be fine on the floor .

[curious]

4 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

That'll work!

How do I book one on?

[Joe Bloggs]

13 hours ago, nomates said:

Fantastic , if the dogs are up for it and no one has jumped in yet i would like first dibs at the couch , me and the dog , sweet , my wife will be fine on the floor .

Ah priorities NM, priorities......

[Joe Bloggs]

10 hours ago, curious said:

How do I book one on?

NZTR, they will charter if there is enough demand, although the Wahine used to do the run, why not just do a two stopper with the Picton taxi? lovely scenic cruise down the coast, a bit of whale watching, or are they all over here on the coast sun baking? the whales that is, a bit of long lining while having cocktails on deck, start the party early.....all it takes is vision, and of course, you're only limited by your budget and your imagination, Petone has both, in spades......

[nomates]

Interesting listening to Greame Rogerson being interviewed prior to the first at Cambridge , when asked what his thoughts were on the Synthetic track he stated that they had their place but that he wouldn't run a good horse on it or trial a good horse on it , i wonder if this is a wide spread attitude within the training ranks .

The worrying aspect for me is if he and maybe others think like this , then does this suggests that the horses that they do run on it are dispensable ? 

He / they obviously think there risks associated with running on this surface .

 

[Joe Bloggs]

I bet he does, and he would know........at least he isn't frightened to tell the truth, many are.

[curious]

3 hours ago, nomates said:

I when asked what his thoughts were on the Synthetic track he stated that they had their place but that he wouldn't run a good horse on it or trial a good horse on it

That's a pretty big comment from someone like him. Did he say why?

[mumbles]

3 hours ago, nomates said:

Interesting listening to Greame Rogerson being interviewed prior to the first at Cambridge , when asked what his thoughts were on the Synthetic track he stated that they had their place but that he wouldn't run a good horse on it or trial a good horse on it , i wonder if this is a wide spread attitude within the training ranks .

The worrying aspect for me is if he and maybe others think like this , then does this suggests that the horses that they do run on it are dispensable ? 

He / they obviously think there risks associated with running on this surface .

 

So the 2 he is starting today must be crap horses ,so if i was the owners i would pull the plug.

 

[nomates]

13 minutes ago, curious said:

That's a pretty big comment from someone like him. Did he say why?

No , just what i wrote , if trainers are of that mind it would suggest that they think that the horses are more susceptible to picking up injuries on this surface .

The test would be to run a G1 on the A/W and see who would be prepared to run .

[nomates]

9 minutes ago, mumbles said:

So the 2 he is starting today must be crap horses ,so if i was the owners i would pull the plug.

 

That's what i said above , it assumes that they treat the horses they do run on it as dispensable .

[mumbles]

23 minutes ago, nomates said:

That's what i said above , it assumes that they treat the horses they do run on it as dispensable .

He has also had 21 starters at trials on the track since April.

[nomates]

23 minutes ago, mumbles said:

He has also had 21 starters at trials on the track since April.

Yeah well it's like tomorrow's trials , how many are forced into running there because Avondale was canned .

I've got a share in one trialing there next week and i'm shitting myself , i would rather wait but not my decision , hoping they just let him jump and go around under a hold , we already know he can gallop .

[Doomed]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

Yeah well it's like tomorrow's trials , how many are forced into running there because Avondale was canned .

 

That is the saddest aspect of all this. Especially in the SI, trainers are being forced to race on the AWTs. It is an incredibly cynical, and to my mind quite disgusting attitude. Just from a quick look at the programmes, between the Grand national meeting and Cup week there are two industry meetings on the grass in Canty. Timaru 7 Oct, and Ashburton 30 Oct.

So Canty trainers basically have the option of a feature meeting or an AWT meeting. Is that their idea of tiered racing? Where do trainers go if they want to try their horse in easier company on a grass track before they raise their sights to a Feature meeting. It has reached the stage where a low key meeting on a grass track is considered something quite unusual.

[Doomed]

While on my pet subject of programming, does anyone find it strange that this week's Riccarton meeting doesn't have a single race restricted to maidens? Especially since the last SI meeting 8 days ago was a feature meeting with only one 1,400m maiden and the next meeting in the South 10 days after Riccarton is also a feature meeting, at Oamaru, with just the one 1,400m maiden programmed.

It must be a hell of a job for a Canty trainer to set a logical programme for their horses. Compare that to the NI where they run endless maiden races.

[nomates]

14 minutes ago, Doomed said:

While on my pet subject of programming, does anyone find it strange that this week's Riccarton meeting doesn't have a single race restricted to maidens? Especially since the last SI meeting 8 days ago was a feature meeting with only one 1,400m maiden and the next meeting in the South 10 days after Riccarton is also a feature meeting, at Oamaru, with just the one 1,400m maiden programmed.

It must be a hell of a job for a Canty trainer to set a logical programme for their horses. Compare that to the NI where they run endless maiden races.

Don't the locals do their own programming as in a Canterbury committee . Surely they have a handle on numbers , but as you say this is to force lower grade horses to run on the A/W , It just gives a false impression of the popularity of the A/W track , underhanded behaviour . 

[nomates]

I am dreading what the CD programming will be like .

[Doomed]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

Don't the locals do their own programming as in a Canterbury committee . Surely they have a handle on numbers , but as you say this is to force lower grade horses to run on the A/W , It just gives a false impression of the popularity of the A/W track , underhanded behaviour . 

I was wondering about that myself, surely some of the local trainers have input into programming. Do they not have any maidens in Canty? I wonder if they have figured out where rating 65 horses come from?

[Huey]

12 hours ago, Doomed said:

That is the saddest aspect of all this. Especially in the SI, trainers are being forced to race on the AWTs. It is an incredibly cynical, and to my mind quite disgusting attitude. Just from a quick look at the programmes, between the Grand national meeting and Cup week there are two industry meetings on the grass in Canty. Timaru 7 Oct, and Ashburton 30 Oct.

So Canty trainers basically have the option of a feature meeting or an AWT meeting. Is that their idea of tiered racing? Where do trainers go if they want to try their horse in easier company on a grass track before they raise their sights to a Feature meeting. It has reached the stage where a low key meeting on a grass track is considered something quite unusual.

It will all end in disaster, despite what some of the cheerleaders are saying.

[Huey]

11 hours ago, Doomed said:

While on my pet subject of programming, does anyone find it strange that this week's Riccarton meeting doesn't have a single race restricted to maidens? Especially since the last SI meeting 8 days ago was a feature meeting with only one 1,400m maiden and the next meeting in the South 10 days after Riccarton is also a feature meeting, at Oamaru, with just the one 1,400m maiden programmed.

It must be a hell of a job for a Canty trainer to set a logical programme for their horses. Compare that to the NI where they run endless maiden races.

I think its pretty challenging for CD trainers also, two meetings with a number of maidens are abandoned before a race is run and no replacement races are put in place for trainers looking for a 1200, 1400, 1600 etc .... its an absolute clown show and the communication and organisation hasn't improved and iota since the last pretender was in charge at NZTR.