Double R Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: NZ harness would actually be a helluva lot better off where the stakes were shared around as I am telling you now owners are getting the stitch big time. Hi Brodie, Looking at those stakes on Thursday night at Addington, is this not what most of us owners have wanted, to increase stakes for the maidens and up races and lower the top level races? Cheers. Robert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Brodie said: Yes AllStars first and second as we have come to expect! It will continue for the years to come and the domination is only going to encourage owners to not bother investing! Yes it is negative, but it is just telling it the way it is! How many in the main race at Addington that the AllStars Ran first and second? Not sure I agree Brodie. All stars is a big, time consuming business and MP isn’t getting any younger. The time is coming when they will want to take life a bit easier and relieve themselves of major logistical management. I think we will see other trainers step up in the next few years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 And remember, this season Allstars didn’t win the NZ Derby or 3year old Colts Jewels , races they have dominated in the last decade. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 5 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: purdon domination will be over this year in 2year old racing from what im hearing Hopefully, but I wouldn’t be betting on it, unless they haven’t got two year olds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 4 hours ago, With A Dream said: Not sure I agree Brodie. All stars is a big, time consuming business and MP isn’t getting any younger. The time is coming when they will want to take life a bit easier and relieve themselves of major logistical management. I think we will see other trainers step up in the next few years. No one gets any younger unfortunately but while they are still training in NZ they will dominate the stakes races, unless someone else gets onto what they are doing differently! They may well lower their numbers but they will still train the very best ones, unless they sell up their training establishment for sections! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, Brodie said: Hopefully, but I wouldn’t be betting on it, unless they haven’t got two year olds! I will be betting on it whats the odds brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 4 hours ago, With A Dream said: And remember, this season Allstars didn’t win the NZ Derby or 3year old Colts Jewels , races they have dominated in the last decade. My prediction for the horse that won those races would be it runs the odd good race this year,the rare good race as a 5yo,has health issues then is retired.. No doubt a top 3yo,did a great job to succeed at that level,but guts run out of it already in my opinion. The shame is everything is focused around young horses these days and as a result you have horses like 4 race winner mickey maguire and 5 race winner baileys knight having to make up the numbers in 6 horse open class fields. Buster brady another case in point,a very good horse but seemed counter productive running in those big 3yo races,so it proved as he had his will to win run out of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said: I will be betting on it whats the odds brodie So Hunter you are prepared to invest that The AllStars won’t have group winning two year olds?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 51 minutes ago, Brodie said: So Hunter you are prepared to invest that The AllStars won’t have group winning two year olds?? Thats not what he said Brodie. Read his post and stop making things up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, Harewood said: Thats not what he said Brodie. Read his post and stop making things up. Harewood, what you on about? I am saying that AllStars will dominate the 2 year old group races and Hunter is doubting that they will! How can you not follow that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 No Brodie. Hunter said that he has heard the Purdon domination of the two year olds will be over this year and is prepared to take odds on this. You said that "The AllStars won’t have group winning two year olds??" He did not say the AS will not have a group winning two year old just that they will not dominate this year. Like I said read the posts before adjusting the content to how you think it should read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Harewood, were you once or currently a nitpicking auditor ? I am saying that the AllStars will dominate the 2 year olds as usual unless you know why things are going to be different????????? If you want to disagree for the sheer hell of it then go for it, can’t be bothered with antagonistic BS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Brodie said: So Hunter you are prepared to invest that The AllStars won’t have group winning two year olds?? im saying they will not win all group 1 two year races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 Watched the All Blacks tonight and thought of the All Stars. Brilliant but monotonous and predictable. It eventually erodes the support base whether you like it or not. Sad but true for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Harewood, were you once or currently a nitpicking auditor ? I am saying that the AllStars will dominate the 2 year olds as usual unless you know why things are going to be different????????? If you want to disagree for the sheer hell of it then go for it, can’t be bothered with antagonistic BS!! Well I carnt be botherd with BS like you spin. You wont admit when you are wrong or made a mistake. Not knitting just saying it as it is. You did not say the AS will dominate. You siad they will win a 2yr old group race. No one disagreeing with that. Just that you have expanded things to not what was posted. Please get it right Your BS is h ard to take!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Brodie said: If you want to disagree for the sheer hell of it then go for it, can’t be bothered with antagonistic BS!! Thought this site was for open discussion without fear of nasty comments and ridicule. Maybe i was wrong and you carnt disagree with Brodie on this site as he runs it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 14 hours ago, Brodie said: So Hunter you are prepared to invest that The AllStars won’t have group winning two year olds?? Brodie, You are being taken to task over this comment. HTP didn't say this. You have corrected yourself by saying domination later on but this quote is the issue. 8 hours ago, Harewood said: Thought this site was for open discussion without fear of nasty comments and ridicule. Maybe i was wrong and you carnt disagree with Brodie on this site as he runs it. Harewood, Do you want to start this chestnut up again? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 On 24/08/2018 at 10:29 PM, Brodie said: Yes AllStars first and second as we have come to expect! It will continue for the years to come and the domination is only going to encourage owners to not bother investing! Yes it is negative, but it is just telling it the way it is! How many in the main race at Addington that the AllStars Ran first and second? There is stable domination in each code, look at c waller is NSW, d weir in Victoria. They are dominating as they have best training methods and best runners. An owner doesn't not buy a horse in fear one stables success, they buy in hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: There is stable domination in each code, look at c waller is NSW, d weir in Victoria. They are dominating as they have best training methods and best runners. An owner doesn't not buy a horse in fear one stables success, they buy in hope. But there are still many more successful trainers in NSW and Vic racing than just weir and Waller! the pool of trainers is a lot smaller in harness racing and is more obvious here, I see Emma Stewart only Won 2 of the big races last night at Melton another dominant force in harness racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, MarkyMark said: There is stable domination in each code, look at c waller is NSW, d weir in Victoria. They are dominating as they have best training methods and best runners. An owner doesn't not buy a horse in fear one stables success, they buy in hope. Actually markymark I think they don't buy at all. You refer to hope. The hope of getting a top horse capable of winning pacing group races is really non existent, except if you have them trained by the allstars.. Realistically you have to either be in a syndicate or very rich,and even then they still have to accept you as a client. I believe if you buy or bred a trotter you still have hope of getting a top horse one day,just not a pacer. I think that is the common view. Some trainers say they can get good money by selling a promising horse to the all stars. That's true. But of course any trainer who wants to train a top horse and thinks he will be competitive would retain the very same horse he sells if they thought they could get similar results.. To me that's just another way of saying"im a realist,ill never beat them,i better take the money now before hes devalued if I continue to train him'. Increasing stakes for the so called open class ranks ,which is really a false description of these races given who has to make up the numbers( before they get sold overseas),will not get any more starters in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Flagship uberalles said: I see Emma Stewart only Won 2 of the big races last night at Melton another dominant force in harness racing. She had starters in 5 Group 1 Breeders Crown races for 3 wins and 2 seconds. Thats got to be pretty dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Harewood said: She had starters in 5 Group 1 Breeders Crown races for 3 wins and 2 seconds. Thats got to be pretty dominant. Ahh 3 wins I missed one, yes she is very dominant in vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Didn't the partnership of Roy and Barry Purdon used to dominate harness racing in much the same way back in the 70's and 80's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, hesi said: Didn't the partnership of Roy and Barry Purdon used to dominate harness racing in much the same way back in the 70's and 80's? I don't think it was as obvious as it is now, there were stacks more trainers in the North, and the big spoils were shared around, and not having a satellite stable in the South meant Southern trainers dominated in the South! Thats My memory of it anyway, so could be very wrong!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: I don't think it was as obvious as it is now, there were stacks more trainers in the North, and the big spoils were shared around, and not having a satellite stable in the South meant Southern trainers dominated in the South! Thats My memory of it anyway, so could be very wrong!! Having said that!! But I don't think they dominated all the big races, like all stars do now, or at least didn't seem as obvious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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