McGrath back.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

If it is to happen, I said it should happen in a consistent, fair and transparent way.

It is only your opinion that it doesn't operate that way.

[Honestjohn]

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

No agenda.  I have no financial interest in any race horse.

However I am sick and tired of the holier than thou types, many of whom are hypocrites, who seem intent on bringing down individuals in the industry for ANY reason they can find.

Some are motivated by envy, others malice and some because they don't want harness racing to exist at all.

Then we have the anonymous carrion feeders that delight in feeding on the demise of others.

 

No envy here,  I've bred a  gr1 winner and had some good horses.  A lot of good times with good honest people.   Are you aware of a North island trainer up on sex charges this week? It's just gone crazy.  

 

Hj

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

Thats laughable for you to suggest people are malcontents because they believe in having level playing fields when it comes to integrity issues.

Racing isn't a level playing field and never will be.  With regard to integrity issues I've been one of the biggest critics of the RIU and now the RIB primarily because of their inconsistency.  Yet you continue to spruik how great they are.  For example you say INCA was good because it put the industry on notice even though it has cost more than $15m in industry funds and delivered NOTHING.  Where is the integrity in that?

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

People with opinions like that are what drives people away from the sport. Why would anyone bother supporting an industry that has even a small % who think like that. No wonder harness racing has an uncertain future if anyone who thinks like that has any influence in running it.

Aren't YOU driving people away from the sport by your continued unsubstantiated inference and innuendo that there MUST be EPO and other "undetectable drug" cheating in the industry?  Where's the evidence?  You and the Peter Profits of this world try to cast a dark cloud over the industry without any substance.

Do you really care about the industry at all?

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Where's the evidence?  You and the Peter Profits of this world try to cast a dark cloud over the industry without any substance.

Do you really care about the industry at all?

That's a bit rough Chief. The Galah is proven supporter of the industry and has been an excellent observor of all the harness goings on. 

Where's the evidence you say. Well mate People LIE Through their Teeth when charged with something OR if doing something 'against' the rules. They (the cheats) go 'Out of their way' to cover- up the evidence you so desparately seek. Inca, IRU , police, etc struggle against this tide.?

I don't care who catches who. It's just good (and Very Important) that Someone is Looking !!!!! otherwise the Kerrs and Alfords and McGraths and their mates WIN Out !!!  and deception would Rule .....

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

you say INCA was good because it put the industry on notice even though it has cost more than $15m in industry funds and delivered NOTHING.  Where is the integrity in that?

Damn Right it did !!  everyone harness racing is tip-toeing a bit more now and being more honest than they may of been without it . Don't forget Crown Prosecution Cases LOSE Everyday in the Courts of Law. At huge dollar cost too, but trying to beat the 'Baddies' is Important !! sometimes they get off with lack of evidence. Just have to catch them next time mate ???

[Chief Stipe]

4 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Damn Right it did !!  everyone harness racing is tip-toeing a bit more now and being more honest than they may of been without it .

INCA has returned ZIP!  All it has done is highlight how incompetent and expensive are a certain group within the RIB.  

4 hours ago, Gammalite said:

6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Where's the evidence?  You and the Peter Profits of this world try to cast a dark cloud over the industry without any substance.

Do you really care about the industry at all?

That's a bit rough Chief. The Galah is proven supporter of the industry and has been an excellent observor of all the harness goings on. 

Where's the evidence you say. Well mate People LIE Through their Teeth when charged with something OR if doing something 'against' the rules. They (the cheats) go 'Out of their way' to cover- up the evidence you so desparately seek. Inca, IRU , police, etc struggle against this tide.?

I don't care who catches who. It's just good (and Very Important) that Someone is Looking !!!!! otherwise the Kerrs and Alfords and McGraths and their mates WIN Out !!!  and deception would Rule .....

Where is the evidence if the industry has a state of the art testing and monitoring regime?  Allegedly McGrath and Alford believed they could dope their horses and not be detected.  To me that just highlights how arcahic and unfit for purpose the very expensive NZ testing and lab system is.  Which I note has been done by a private company paid for and funded by industry for a very long time.

As for Kerr - where are the ownership processes and systems in the three codes that stop the overselling of shares and/or insurance?  Kerr isn't the first nor the only one that has done that.  I suspect the code management is too scared to open that can of worms by putting systems in place to stop it as they would have to check every current horse ownership structure.

[Honestjohn]

4 hours ago, Gammalite said:

That's a bit rough Chief. The Galah is proven supporter of the industry and has been an excellent observor of all the harness goings on. 

Where's the evidence you say. Well mate People LIE Through their Teeth when charged with something OR if doing something 'against' the rules. They (the cheats) go 'Out of their way' to cover- up the evidence you so desparately seek. Inca, IRU , police, etc struggle against this tide.?

I don't care who catches who. It's just good (and Very Important) that Someone is Looking !!!!! otherwise the Kerrs and Alfords and McGraths and their mates WIN Out !!!  and deception would Rule .....

Damn Right it did !!  everyone harness racing is tip-toeing a bit more now and being more honest than they may of been without it . Don't forget Crown Prosecution Cases LOSE Everyday in the Courts of Law. At huge dollar cost too, but trying to beat the 'Baddies' is Important !! sometimes they get off with lack of evidence. Just have to catch them next time mate ???

The kerrs and Alfords of the game are just scum.  Bottom feeders that should be banned for life. IMO. If that appears harsh,  tough,  it's how I feel. 

 

Hj

[paleface adios]

do you guys have a rule that if you say F off my property you get 7years for saying that

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, Honestjohn said:

The kerrs and Alfords of the game are just scum.  Bottom feeders that should be banned for life. IMO. If that appears harsh,  tough,  it's how I feel. 

 

Hj

You're entitled to your opinion.  Unfortunately there are a lot of people feeding on the bottom.  That's part of the reason people cheat.  It is so damn hard to make money in the game.

Is it any less fraudulent that so many RIB staff and Code administrators act ineptly and don't address the fundamental issues? Yet they are paid way way more than any of those individuals that attempt to earn a living in the game?

[paleface adios]

7 hours ago, Honestjohn said:

 

Nope just hate cheats!! 

 

Hj

wow .is there not world class testing . how da hell can you cheat don't you swab horses?

[Gammalite]

36 minutes ago, paleface adios said:

do you guys have a rule that if you say F off my property you get 7years for saying that

It was Blair Orange telling investigators Mr Wallis and Mrs Williams to F..off the property of Nigel McGrath in March 2020. He ultimately got a $1000 fine . No-one got 7 years for abuse. Blair was lucky to get that mild penalty? with his efforts of interferring with an official investigation.

[Chief Stipe]

23 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

No-one got 7 years for abuse.

McGrath got 8 years in total.  The aggravating factor was his refusal to cooperate with RIU investigators and his alleged destruction of the "evidence".

Arguably up until that time McGrath had a cleaner record than many others still training with only two prior charges being considered when handing down his sentence.  One was Blue Magic in 2004 and the other arising out of INCA for "improper driving".  The latter charge was poorly defended.  The key RIU figure involved in the improper driving charge and the raid was one Neil Grimstone.  Grimstone has failed miserably in his orchestrated INCA campaign and has been allowed to hound license holders in my opinion to justify his failures.  He did the same when he was a Detective in the Police Force with a couple of very big failures.  

[Honestjohn]

20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

McGrath got 8 years in total.  The aggravating factor was his refusal to cooperate with RIU investigators and his alleged destruction of the "evidence".

Arguably up until that time McGrath had a cleaner record than many others still training with only two prior charges being considered when handing down his sentence.  One was Blue Magic in 2004 and the other arising out of INCA for "improper driving".  The latter charge was poorly defended.  The key RIU figure involved in the improper driving charge and the raid was one Neil Grimstone.  Grimstone has failed miserably in his orchestrated INCA campaign and has been allowed to hound license holders in my opinion to justify his failures.  He did the same when he was a Detective in the Police Force with a couple of very big failures.  

 

Lol,  don't get me started on the cops corrupt practices!!

 

Hj

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, Honestjohn said:

 

Lol,  don't get me started on the cops corrupt practices!!

 

Hj

Well if you read what Grimstone did in the McGrath case you can see the same pattern of behaviour he exhibited in his High Court Criminal Cases.  His interrogation of a "witness" who admits being a drug user and the subsequent presentation of that person's evidence reeks of a jail house snitch!

[Blackie]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's part of the reason people cheat.  It is so damn hard to make money in the game.

That still doesn’t make it acceptable Chief.

Plenty of honest , down to earth people trying to make a go of it, where is their advocate?

[Brodie]

59 minutes ago, Blackie said:

That still doesn’t make it acceptable Chief.

Plenty of honest , down to earth people trying to make a go of it, where is their advocate?

Of course cheating is not right, Blackie!

Reality is that there are so many things nowadays that are not right!

Chief was just pointing out that people do make wrong decisions when they do not see much future going forwards!

Take the youth that are doing the ram raids and burglaries currently, yes a lot of it is just copycat but also so many are becoming financially challenged and it will get worse.

I doubt that many would condone the administration of substances illegally on harness horses, however it will continue whether we like it or not!

The smaller stables have not got a hope in hell of competing with the larger stables and we will continue to see no increase in numbers of owners, trainers or punters!

Personally I am seeing absolutely nothing coming from HRNZ that gives an indication that they have things under control and things are going to be rosey for harness in the future.

Seriously though, does anyone see things improving for any of the 3 parties mentioned??????

What I do know is that many of the paid employees do seem to be conspicuous by their absence and poor performance.

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by Brodie

[Chief Stipe]

12 hours ago, Blackie said:

That still doesn’t make it acceptable Chief.

Plenty of honest , down to earth people trying to make a go of it, where is their advocate?

Never said it was acceptable.

Same fundamental problems affecting ALL participants.  As for advocacy Harness is the same as the Gallops those who provide the product don't work collectively together to tackle the issues and largesse of the administrators.  

[aquaman]

After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion Nigel McGrath must be a good bloke, especially seeing the names of Wallis and Williams being to the forefront of the investigation. I have no problem with him getting his license back for breaking and education of horses. He has no involvement in racing, so where's the problem.

[hunterthepunter]

45 minutes ago, aquaman said:

After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion Nigel McGrath must be a good bloke, especially seeing the names of Wallis and Williams being to the forefront of the investigation. I have no problem with him getting his license back for breaking and education of horses. He has no involvement in racing, so where's the problem.

champion post mate

[Gammalite]

3 hours ago, aquaman said:

. I have no problem with him getting his license back for breaking and education of horses. He has no involvement in racing, so where's the problem

What ... Aren't the ones he breaks in Ever gunna race ????? hahahaha must be a bad breaker ??

[paleface adios]

On 11/21/2022 at 8:50 AM, the galah said:

 

Thats laughable . Why would anyone bother supporting an industry 

run by racing idiot uint?

[the galah]

 

12 minutes ago, paleface adios said:

run by racing idiot uint?

I suggest you apply for a job there,as sounds like your well qualified.

[hunterthepunter]

more staff more spending by them I guess it is nearly xmas time 

[Rangatira]

35 minutes ago, the galah said:

 

I suggest you apply for a job there,as sounds like your well qualified.

He doesn't like heights.

[Gammalite]

55 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

He doesn't like heights.

No such problem for The Galah . He'll spot any 'trot rot' from up high, or a bit of the horse grain if hungry,  at very least while keeping a watch-out. Ideal RIU potential.