Peanut Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 39 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: If thats correct Shad it may well have contributed to the losing traction when contacting the outside horse, that in itself should have been taken into consideration, as I said it all beggars belief. its 100% correct and the arrogant RIB have a lot to answer for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 41 minutes ago, Mark D said: My sources tell me that it lost the plate before the race Couldn't put it back on as the horse was too fired up BUT they allowed it to race. Dodgy AF That has happened before to that set of connections - and the farrier told me himself - but at least he took the other plate off to even up the situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I hope Brian and his committee get an apology from RIB, and some decent financial recompense, FFS this shit has to stop, racing in NZ has slipped into an abyss. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Joe Bloggs said: I hope Brian and his committee get an apology from RIB, and some decent financial recompense, FFS this shit has to stop, racing in NZ has slipped into an abyss. You are making an assumption that the horse slipped because it had lost a plate. Did they or did they not inspect the track? Surely the decision was based on that inspection. But I can see this becoming the racing conspiracy of 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesio Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You are making an assumption that the horse slipped because it had lost a plate. Did they or did they not inspect the track? Surely the decision was based on that inspection. But I can see this becoming the racing conspiracy of 2023. Given there was concerns with the track before race 1 (they had a inspection and meeting before the 1st race) surely allowing a horse to step on the track without all 4 plates should have been a big no no regardless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You are making an assumption that the horse slipped because it had lost a plate. Did they or did they not inspect the track? Surely the decision was based on that inspection. But I can see this becoming the racing conspiracy of 2023. Read my first post, I'm of the opinion that Mose tried to shoulder the horse on his outside to create a run for his mare, in doing so his horse momentarily lost it's footing, I've seen this happen hundreds of times, if, and some on here think it's more than if, the horse raced with one plate behind, that would definitely be a contributing factor. As ordinary jockey that I was, I do know what happens if you gallop a horse with one shoe/plate on.......clear enough for you? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tesio said: Given there was concerns with the track before race 1 (they had a inspection and meeting before the 1st race) surely allowing a horse to step on the track without all 4 plates should have been a big no no regardless. Tessio, 2 plates would suffice mate, but they need to be front or back, ever driven a car with a flat tyre behind?......that's what it can be like at speed, especially around a tight corner...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: As ordinary jockey that I was, I do know what happens if you gallop a horse with one shoe/plate on.......clear enough for you? Did it lose 3 plates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Tessio, 2 plates would suffice mate, but they need to be front or back, ever driven a car with a flat tyre behind?......that's what it can be like at speed, especially around a tight corner...... Can't have been that flat as it still won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Yep it had the wood on them, but he did barge out, what would have happened if there was a fall? would that have been the track....or TM? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Did it lose 3 plates? I should have said off, not on, but you being the maestro picked up on that, a given I would have thought..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Yep it had the wood on them, but he did barge out, what would have happened if there was a fall? would that have been the track....or TM? Seems the only horse affected by the barging was the horse that barged and won. I've heard they had doubts about the track BEFORE race 1 and it was inspected. Subsequent to race 1 the track was inspected again. Who was involved in the decision? RIB, Jockeys, Trainers and Club officials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Not happy. Just back to my iPad but out for a beer. More to this than meets the eye but safety first More to come 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Reefton, Moseley caused his own mount to lose its footing by trying to barge out on the point of the home turn but the horse on his outside (light green colours) was going just as well and held its ground so Moseley had to revert back to the inside. No mention in Stewards report but I note that Miss Veronica Algar was the chair of Stewards so not surprised. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Another one gone tomorrow? Meeting News Ruakaka Track Inspection 6am 06-01 Stewards will inspect the track at Ruakaka due to high winds at 6am on race morning 06-01. Update to follow on meeting news after inspection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) I hardly see that this meets the "exceptional circumstances" criterion from what I can see. 613 A person must not start or attempt to start a horse in a Race or trial (including a jump-out, or test for certification purposes with a horse): ... (c) in plates having a sharp flange or sharp projection on the ground-bearing surface, or which are excessively worn or otherwise faulty or defective; or (d) unless fully shod with approved plates in accordance with the plating provisions of the approved gear list determined and published by NZTR in accordance with Rule 609, provided that in exceptional circumstances a Stipendiary Steward may permit a horse to run unshod or partly shod. There is nothing in the stipes report to the effect of that permission being considered or granted, nor on what grounds. Edited January 5, 2023 by curious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 42 minutes ago, billy connolly said: Reefton, Moseley caused his own mount to lose its footing by trying to barge out on the point of the home turn but the horse on his outside (light green colours) was going just as well and held its ground so Moseley had to revert back to the inside. No mention in Stewards report but I note that Miss Veronica Algar was the chair of Stewards so not surprised. What has the word, Miss, got to with anything? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Huey said: They only accomodate the big clubs. As I understand it the Reefton Cup is likely to be transferred to Karaka Millions day at Pukekohe. Yet to be confirmed. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 SUPPLEMENTARY Nothing to report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: Reefton, Moseley caused his own mount to lose its footing by trying to barge out on the point of the home turn but the horse on his outside (light green colours) was going just as well and held its ground so Moseley had to revert back to the inside. No mention in Stewards report but I note that Miss Veronica Algar was the chair of Stewards so not surprised. I can certainly see that point. It did look more like the horse being urged to make a sudden sideways movement rather than anything to do with the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Doomed said: I can certainly see that point. It did look more like the horse being urged to make a sudden sideways movement rather than anything to do with the track. Nothing from the stewards on that attempted movement into another horse's line either. Were they watching a different race or just in a hurry to get home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Nally Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Reefton said: Not happy. Just back to my iPad but out for a beer. More to this than meets the eye but safety first More to come I feel for the club. This is was my first trip down for the circuit and the hospitality shown by all has been well worth it. I have witnessed the drama of lost plates first hand with Kopua on Tuesday and today of course. IMO the track was fine and certainly was inspected before the race by several officials. I certainly am no expert on such matters, however my charge in the race today didn't have any problems navigating the bends. However as highlighted safety first is non negotiable and it was very scary when Lily came off on Kopua. Unfortunately no one is a winner with this outcome today. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: If thats correct Shad it may well have contributed to the losing traction when contacting the outside horse, that in itself should have been taken into consideration, as I said it all beggars belief. Guess it will all come out, but I thought the track was in very good order, and i agree with what you say, and yet greymouth continued and apparently that was a plate issue, really feel for the club, should a horse start with out a plate or be scratched, that's beyond me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Haven't seen a plate inspector actually lift a horses foot and check plates, I'm sure this used to done many years ago, must be hard to check all four on a walk through, or is there something else they go by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Shad said: Guess it will all come out, but I thought the track was in very good order, and i agree with what you say, and yet greymouth continued and apparently that was a plate issue, really feel for the club, should a horse start with out a plate or be scratched, that's beyond me Be like driving up the mountain with chains on one side and a regular tyre on the other wouldn't it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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