LongOwner Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Note the attached Judge comment. Hide your head in shame - Informant , Stuff & NZHearld plus NZ Police - I will pass this on to the appropriate standards bodies and encourage maybe civil action if appropriate. Everyone deserves justice , fair hearing and not a biased witch hunt . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Martin van beynon got a serve did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: Martin van beynon got a serve did he? He was in full damage control I heard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 They will get their own court case when it is all over ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 5 hours ago, LongOwner said: They will get their own court case when it is all over ! Only if what was published is proved to be untrue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) Interesting comments. Is the criticism of the media because they reported on the raids? (natural enough) - or because they named people prematurely? May be some grounds for unease there if they have pre-empted the possible suppression of names in court ... Re Police - what is the wrong-doing alleged there? - it is not uncommon for them to have press conferences prior to court hearings from what I observe - have often seen raids for drugs or on gangs & it's in the media teh same day with talk about the number of arrests & numerous court appearances which are to follow ... Did the Police somehow exceed this common practice with Inca? As for the media company being interested in financial gain - as distasteful & immoral as that's made to sound - in fact that's most of us. Most of you here on BOAY, the journalists, the ppl charged & I - even judges - all work for financial gain. And the media companies have shareholders to satisfy. It's how we go about that work that counts. Deep breath everyone! Edited September 11, 2018 by jess 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 Press Witch Hunt ! Disgraceful - check todays paper - shocking criminal case gets 5 sentences ! Inca gets pages of which some are ruled are not allowed and have to be taken down . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 hours ago, jess said: Interesting comments. Is the criticism of the media because they reported on the raids? (natural enough) - or because they named people prematurely? May be some grounds for unease there if they have pre-empted the possible suppression of names in court ... Re Police - what is the wrong-doing alleged there? - it is not uncommon for them to have press conferences prior to court hearings from what I observe - have often seen raids for drugs or on gangs & it's in the media teh same day with talk about the number of arrests & numerous court appearances which are to follow ... Did the Police somehow exceed this common practice with Inca? As for the media company being interested in financial gain - as distasteful & immoral as that's made to sound - in fact that's most of us. Most of you here on BOAY, the journalists, the ppl charged & I - even judges - all work for financial gain. And the media companies have shareholders to satisfy. It's how we go about that work that counts. Deep breath everyone! Totally agree. Castigating the media for revealing the facts is the sort of behaviour one normally associates with banana republics (and Trumpian America!) Regardless of the preciousness of one judge about the sanctity of "his" courtroom, the very best thing all media organisations can do is attempt to keep us all as informed as possible. And one of the worst things they can do is not report news in order to protect certain people's "feelings". If a newspaper doesn't stand for these two principles, what use is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 Mr pressman never ask me for an interview when I win the cup and I don’t have to go to the birdcage to be put in a cage . Balance is all I am saying and they have shown none . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, LongOwner said: Mr pressman never ask me for an interview when I win the cup and I don’t have to go to the birdcage to be put in a cage . Balance is all I am saying and they have shown none . Hardly an ideal comparison Longowner. Your winning the Cup is a long way from blatant illegal activity within Harnessdom. The public have a right to know and the media have a responsibility to present it. Basil is quite correct in his assumptions. It has nevertheless left a foul taste in my mouth much like yourself as an owner( presumably). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, LongOwner said: Press Witch Hunt ! The truth of that statement will come out in the decisions of the judiciary whether one likes it or not. Guilty verdicts will see the press vindicated. If otherwise, they may be vilified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, LongOwner said: Press Witch Hunt ! Disgraceful - check todays paper - shocking criminal case gets 5 sentences ! Inca gets pages of which some are ruled are not allowed and have to be taken down . Just a thought for you Long owner. The press publish stories that their readers are interested in, stories that will help sell them papers and get clicks on their website. I think they know what their readers want better than you. This type of case would get more sensationalized coverage overseas. They are just doing there job. Surely you have noted the amount of posts on this topic on this website. Clearly an indication of interest in the topic. 8 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: The truth of that statement will come out in the decisions of the judiciary whether one likes it or not. Guilty verdicts will see the press vindicated. If otherwise, they may be vilified. The press will neither be vindicated or vilified by whatever the outcomes. They report what they deem appropriate. They are neither the prosecution or the defence. In my opinion I've seen nothing so far to justify such a statement. This will be an ongoing story,get used to it, The media isn't 'the enemy,and strategies should already be underway the have the media publish stories in a way that will be beneficial to how harness racing is perceived. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, the galah said: The press will neither be vindicated or vilified by whatever the outcomes. They report what they deem appropriate. They are neither the prosecution or the defence. In my opinion I've seen nothing so far to justify such a statement. This will be an ongoing story,get used to it, nothing then I am sure LongOwner will have something to say. If they are all guilty, then the press conference and reporting will be forgotten. Such is the power of hindsight and differing perspectives on a matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Cant edit above post as a bit too late.... Should read: If the cases come to nothing then I am sure LongOwner will have something to say. Reason for edit: DRUNK 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Reason for edit: DRUNK Yeah, its Wednesday ( I think) but there is nothing else to do, no Addington or Methven and I am certainly not betting on Swan Hill Harness (where the f**k is that anyway? Africa?) It has been a good day too having a drink with good mates. BOAY rules. So don't judge me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Do you get the feeling that some of those charged, may get off due to police / media actions? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Do you get the feeling that some of those charged, may get off due to police / media actions? Yes it's an interesting one, it's in the public interest, but if any of the accused are not guilty it creates an immediate doubt on their character. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Do you get the feeling that some of those charged, may get off due to police / media actions? The argument they've been denied a fair trial? Wouldn't think it's reached that level .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) What I can't quite get, and I'm sure one of you very intelligent trot guys will oblige. Under the rules of racing, they have been charged and excluded as below, even though all vehemently claim they are not guilty, thus denying them the rights of an innocent person. The assumption therefore, is that the RIU have taken the action they have, based on the fact they have been charged and arrested by the police ??? Media Release Operation Inca - Wednesday 5 September 2018 posted Sep 4, 2018, 7:13 PM by Karin Attwood [ updated Sep 4, 2018, 7:13 PM ] The Police and Racing Integrity Unit are investigating Race Fixing in Harness Racing. As a result of the investigation to date the Police have arrested a number of persons and charged them with race fixing. In view of the serious nature of the charges the Police have laid the Racing Integrity Unit (RIU) has taken action under the Rules of Harness Racing to exclude, all those charged by the Police from entering a race course to attend race meetings, workouts and trials. The RIU has also charged those concerned with Serious Racing Offences, Rule 1001 (1) (v) (i) of the Rules of Harness Racing. Edited September 12, 2018 by hesi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, jess said: The argument they've been denied a fair trial? Wouldn't think it's reached that level .... Has reached that level at my house. Better half not happy I'm a bit full and on some website. I'm sure I haven't received a fair trial. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Has reached that level at my house. Better half not happy I'm a bit full and on some website. I'm sure I haven't received a fair trial. There are probably worse websites the missus cld catch you drunk on ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Has reached that level at my house. Better half not happy I'm a bit full and on some website. I'm sure I haven't received a fair trial. You can sleep it off in the cells and she will select the jury in the morning! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, hesi said: I'm sure one of you very intelligent trot guys will oblige. Brodie, your up. 3 minutes ago, jess said: There are probably worse websites the missus cld catch you drunk on ... I have so many tabs open she has no idea. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, hesi said: What I can't quite get, and I'm sure one of you very intelligent trot guys will oblige. Under the rules of racing, they have been charged and excluded as below, even though all vehemently claim they are not guilty, thus denying them the rights of an innocent person. The assumption therefore, is that the RIU have taken the action they have, based on the fact they have been charged and arrested by the police ??? Media Release Operation Inca - Wednesday 5 September 2018 posted Sep 4, 2018, 7:13 PM by Karin Attwood [ updated Sep 4, 2018, 7:13 PM ] The Police and Racing Integrity Unit are investigating Race Fixing in Harness Racing. As a result of the investigation to date the Police have arrested a number of persons and charged them with race fixing. In view of the serious nature of the charges the Police have laid the Racing Integrity Unit (RIU) has taken action under the Rules of Harness Racing to exclude, all those charged by the Police from entering a race course to attend race meetings, workouts and trials. The RIU has also charged those concerned with Serious Racing Offences, Rule 1001 (1) (v) (i) of the Rules of Harness Racing. I guess while they are under investigation they are basically stood down from their place of work as anyone in a teaching/police/nurse job etc would be if they were under investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Brodie, your up. I have so many tabs open she has no idea. ? Your not watching "confessions of a restricted punter" again are you happy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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