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It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the number of mares being bred by the big studs, compared to the so-called hobby breeders

It's a tool to assist in achieving the objectives.

so the headline currently on the hrnz website is confidence returns,largest breeding increase in 16 years. hey,i'm not saying its not a good thing numbers are slightly up,but what is obvious is HRNZ are  overplaying  how significant the progress is. They could have run a headline that said breeding numbers 2nd lowest in history and that would have been just as true. Peden and steele talk about stabalisation of breeding numbers being so important and i get that,but its also very obvious that there had to be a point where numbers hit rock bottom. But anyone who thinks the numbers are good,as indicated by the headline,must be kidding themselves. all that story on hrnz is,is positive spin. i'm not saying  i don't get why they have run that story,its just they have again way oversold it. lets remember HRNZ are throwing money around like theres no tomorrow and that includes substanial money being used to incentivise breeding. personally i just don't get why they can't see big holes in how they are dealing with the industry,including breeding incentives. Hrnz should  be focusing on creating an environment where breeders have the confidence to continue breeding without the need for hrnz subsidising. And what happens if and when they can no longer keep stake levels at their current level because they have spent all the money trying to give an impression things are better than they really are. And i note they said the sires $5000 or under was the main reason the breeding number rose. Up by 231 on the previous year. But of course that also meant the sires over $5000 were down by 132. now that harness 5000 does seem to have worked for hrnz. I have no idea why anyone with much sense would breed to a harness 5000 on the basis of that it will be eligible for a one off race once a year worth $60,000. But people seem to think like that. My guess is yes there may be that one race they could aim to start in 4 years time but while they realistically have a very small chance of starting in may still be the same,every other race they are running in throughout the year could and probably will be less than what the current stakes are because hrnz is overspending to create that false impression. . As i said one other time,seeing more breed because  of the harness 5000 is like watching the people silly enough to breed to nz stallions because  hrnz said they would be running for bonuses in years to come,which of course they cancelled beofre anyone got that chance who had bred. But hey,hrnz seem to have sold people on that,so that was a win for hrnz.

Gamma, it's obvious a discussion (I was going to say argument but refrained) with you about this is futile. Only the future will tell who was right or wrong. My understanding is that when the Entain deal was signed, it was conditional on NZ introducing Geo-blocking (which Australia have had for years).The idea/thinking was that that would create a large boost in wagering (I seem to recall a figure of $40m being talked about) to replace for the money that Entain is putting in now. Given that HRNZ have just announced that turnovers are actually down on a reduced turnover of last year, and the year before that etc., that seems to have been proven to be pie in the sky. As I've said before, we don't have generous State Governments of billionaires to help...ALL, I repeat, ALL our money comes from wagering, hence my comments on Slot Racing, which, as does Cup Week almost every year, run at a substantial loss.

It's not the Entain money that will 'Stop' the industry . They are the one's propping it up with spare back pocket cash at the moment. NZ and Australia. blatant mismanagement is JUST Not Correct. they're helping out in hour of need. And as The Galah correctly says , SPortsBetting is the go these days for them , and horse racing is just like a side dessert if you like , that they don't really need.  It's a TWILIGHT industry . NZ especially has TWILIGHT participants. I can't believe Ricky May coming back again , nor Barry Purdon the other day. Dr Chin . really ? who's gunna lose money betting on them ? not you or I. didn't get enough youngsters involved is the HUUUGEE knife in the back for NZ harness.  I agree Fully with you Brodster that the mile racing and smaller field's are quite boring.  commonly run in Aus every day of the week. and you have advocating keeping them to a minimum in NZ as a spectacle or a Betting prospect. NZ has a GREAT VAriety of RACES put on by HRNZ 9cmpared to Aus) and Caters for All their participants.  THE PARTICIPANTS are just as Important as the Punters to keep it going. No Participants = No Racing = You're washed Up. ENTAIN and HRNZ are handling it to keep it going. And you know this. you're just being mean really not appreciating the efforts .  we'll lose heaps on the Interdominion but you still need these Pinnalcle events to keep people like Seymour interested ( as well as all the 5 day to day meetings we run each and every week.  HRNZ does it better than all our OZ states , except NSW HR which look after their participants magnificently across the board and hopefully at a profit. For your tiny HRNZ industry the results achieved are Just amazing really.   fancy people grizzling they put in 200-300 thousand ( a pittance to Entain) to run the feature Slot TROT of Australasia? , of the world nearly? . with some of the world's best trotters EVER SEEN , yet this thread says Call it off ?????????????????.  I give up mate.  It's like calling off the Olympics 100m because BOLT was too fast for them . 🤣😆.  forget the spectacle 😉   

After Disco Time suffered his first career defeat in the Pegasus World Cup Invitational Stakes (G1) Jan. 24 at Gulfstream Park, his connections are hoping for a fresh start to his 4-year-old season March 7 in the Challenger Stakes at Tampa Bay Downs.View the full article

Thanks. That's enlightening. Just I didn't recall that term being in the ToR objectives for the project.

Did it lose momentum you mean? 1 l behind at 150M...1/2 L at 100M..head behind 30M out...it had momentum alright and was going to win a head....after being carted 3/5 widths out after another look 0.01 sec behind at the post...call it a DH in olde school lingo of course subjective...BUT didn't even rate a mention in the report WOEFUL

It’s been a successful New Zealand raid for the Gavin Bedggood-trained Kingswood, and the grey entire will be looking to end it on a high when he heads to Ellerslie on Saturday. The son of Roaring Lion won first-up in New Zealand on Boxing Day at Ellerslie in the Gr.1 Zabeel Classic (2000m) before finishing runner-up to Legarto in last month’s Gr.1 Herbie Dyke Stakes (2000m) at Te Rapa. The ledger is now one apiece between the pair, with Legarto running third in the Zabeel Classic, and Bedggood is hoping Kingswood can once again have the Ken and Bev Kelso-trained mare’s measure when they return to Ellerslie on Champions Day to contest the Gr.1 Bonecrusher New Zealand Stakes (2000m). “I have got full respect for her and she beat us fair and square last start,” Bedggood said. “We are racing back right-handed, which I know is my horse’s advantage, and hopefully back on a track with a little bit more of a forgiving surface can help us.” Bedggood has been rapt with what has turned into a lucrative campaign and he said he would love to return to New Zealand in the future if the opportunity presented itself. “It’s been a well worthwhile trip, and we have been very well looked after,” he said. “Mike Rogers, who has accommodated us for the last 11 weeks at Pukekohe, has bent over backwards to help us. It has been good. “I was over there a week leading up to Christmas and I did 10 days after the sales and all my riders have done a two-week block each. It has been a little bit testing in that regard, but it has been a fruitful trip, and I would have no hesitation doing it again.” Kingswood is set to return to Australia following Saturday’s race and Bedggood is looking forward to tackling some elite-level targets on home soil with the six-year-old, but he has yet to lock down what they will be. “He will fly out on Sunday and head back to Victoria,” he said. “He will be nominated for the Australian Cup (Gr.1, 2000m) and a few different races in Sydney, but we might put him aside and prep him up for Brisbane.” While he will be chasing Group One glory and the lion’s share of the $1 million purse on offer in the Bonecrusher New Zealand Stakes, Bedggood will also have a couple of runners at Flemington on Saturday. Jennilala will be seeking to defend her crown in the Gr.3 Matron Stakes (1600m), while in form gelding Castellar will contest the Herald Sun Plate (1100m). “Jennilala won that race 12 months ago,” Bedggood said. “She is deep into her campaign whereas when she went into it last year she was first-up. I am hopeful more than confident of her winning, but she ran well a fortnight ago. “Castellar is in great form. He was gallant in defeat last start, he probably went a bit too quick. Although it is a step up in grade, he drops in weight, and he will be very competitive in that race.” View the full article