Happy Sunrise

So the Whale Watch is back with Craig giving his best 3. Gosh the whole slash and burn covid response was a waste of time. Bungling buffoons.

Pretty loose in his gait but may need more racing and a bit of time to see the best of him.

Soviet Star is still at 17s despite only having 3 points in the futurity and 5 Star General at 8.50. with only 1 point. They better perform next week as it is the end of qualifying. Odds for mugs.

It could be a 'facilitator' How PC is that.

Close but no cigar. Is Five Star General our PM by any chance?

Geoff Martin and Danke ahead of the times.

Being sold?

Very informative. How do you know all of this? Common knowledge amongst elite punters?

61 and 9...what is the go here dougie?

Very nice spotting.

So the TAB has Cracker Hill and Ultimate Stride second and third favourite for the Dominion. I am not sure that is warranted, for sure, they are on the rise but maybe a year early to be installed so highly. Midnight Dash got 4th in Auckland just behind these 2 and he is a little wee way off the best in the country. So are the TAB saying the 2nd and 3rd best 4 year old trotters are the second and third best trotters in the country? I find the $11 for Majestic Man out of place in comparison. Shouldn't he be the second favourite?

Good stuff Dougie. I won't be betting but I am looking forward to some of the racing. The Show Futurity line up will be decided by next Thursday. Soviet Star ($17), Midfrew Luisianabeau ($26 - who I have backed) Five Star General ($13) need to get points to be safe getting into the $30 000 race. Midfrew is very tightly assessed at R61 but looks as though he has real potential after his Methven win. Dashing Major looked to be a potential challenger to the top 2 3 year olds if he improves upon his first up run. The Fixer will need to front or his NZ Cup campaign could be over. The 3 year old trot race will be a great contest. Will Matua Tana and My Moment's Now go on with it? Same for Majestic Lavros. If I had to bet...Burham Boy into Di Caprio.

Mehe, There is no doubt in my mind punters are 'restricted' or name it whatever one desires. Harness racing with its lower turnovers carries larger exposure for losses for the TAB. A few well placed FF bets will wipe any potential profit for them very quickly. Hence the nerves. Garrick Knight on his twitter is typical of what goes on for some. And there is this comment from a wee while back. According to him it means you can only win $1000 betting the day before? I suppose he would know. And of course, the TAB do not want anyone to know what they are up to. Spoils their bullshit marketing campaigns.

Have a read. There is no doubt 1-3 above happen in NZ How betting agencies restrict punters who win too often or too much By Ian Burrows Posted Sunday 20 JanJanuary 2019 at 7:53am Sorry, this video has expired Two of the same bets: One is accepted the other is rejected. Punters and anti-gambling advocates have hit out at betting agencies for restricting or shutting down the accounts of people who win too often. Key points: Punters detail how operators restrict or shut them down Betting agencies labelled "immoral and predatory" Calls for universal minimum bet laws In a little-known strategy to prevent paying out too much to the same winning punters, operators simply restrict how much they can bet or close them down altogether. There is nothing illegal about it and the right to do it is written into agencies' terms and conditions, but anti-gambling advocates say such conduct is unethical and should be illegal. "The sports betting companies are utterly immoral and predatory," Tim Costello, spokesman for the Alliance for Gambling Reform, told the ABC. "They have real-time data of who's winning and they will block people who are winning. "They have real-time data of large amounts of money being bet, maybe at 3:00am, knowing a person might have bipolar [disorder] or might be sleepless and they won't block them." Matthew* has been betting on racing and sports for years and said he had been restricted by almost all Australian-licensed agencies. "Once each company identifies you as a winning customer or basically as non-profitable for them, they will restrict or effectively ban you from betting with them," he told the ABC. "It's often done, not necessarily after being a long-term winner, but after a few bets." Same bets, same time, different outcome He provided the ABC with vision and photos of the same bet being placed with the same agency at the same time from two different accounts. Sportsbet accepts one bet but the same bet from a restricted account is rejected.(Supplied) In the first example, Sportsbet allows a $20 bet on a greyhound race in South Australia from an unrestricted account. But as Matthew tries the same bet from his account he is advised that "an error occurred" and told to try again later or contact customer service. "I think it should be a level playing field. If they offer that product to one person it should be available to everyone," he said. In another example, this time with bet365, an unrestricted account is allowed to place a $16 bet on a harness race in Queensland, while the same bet from his own account placed at the same time is rejected for being "above the maximum" bet amount. "I find it pretty outrageous that they prey on unsuccessful punters or people with gambling problems … while anyone who shows a little bit of intelligence with their betting isn't allowed those same opportunities," Matthew said. Sportsbet would not answer questions about why it restricted accounts but a spokesperson said: "Sportsbet complies with minimum bet limits as directed by racing and sporting governing bodies." The ABC contacted bet365 for comment but did not get a response. bet365 rejects one bet but accepts the same bet from a different account.(Supplied) Calls for universal minimum bet laws Matthew said a solution to the issue would be to implement minimum bet limits across the country, forcing agencies to accept bets up to a certain minimum winning amount. It's an idea supported by RMIT's Dr Anna Thomas, who was the joint author of a report for the Federal Government in 2017 into betting restrictions and online wagering in Australia. Aussies world's biggest gambling losers It is said Australians love a punt, but you'd wonder why given we appear to be the worst at it in the world — and by a fair margin at that. Read more "That was one of the recommendations within our report … to do that across the board," she said. Some racing codes and states have already implemented minimum bet rules, but they are not yet universal. "These sorts of rules are great in creating level playing fields," Matthew said. But he also pointed out that some agencies had already found ways to get around the minimum bets rules when they didn't want to accept a bet. Matthew describes a process whereby he would attempt to place a bet but rather than it going straight through he would get a message that it was "pending". A short time later he would get a message saying the bet could be accepted but at shorter odds that were no longer attractive to him. Punters turn to illegal offshore operators Australians bet more on horse racing than any other sports or events.(AAP: Hamish Blair) For their report, Dr Thomas and co-author Dr Jennifer Podesta spoke to several punters who had experienced similar restrictions to Matthew. The paper found people who were blocked from betting with Australian agencies would turn to illegal offshore operators, which presented a number of problems. Winning punters say they are often treated differently to losers.(Supplied) "First, there are control and protection issues related to under- or un-regulated offshore sites in terms of adequate consumer protections, the potential for fraud, money-laundering and sporting integrity issues (e.g. match-fixing)," the report said. "Second, there is the issue of a loss of revenue to governments and sporting bodies through taxes, license and product fees and to Australian businesses through loss of customers." Gamblers are known to then use operators in Asia, Europe and the US, which is illegal — not for the punter, but for the operator, because they are not licensed in Australia. One punter told the ABC he had to be prepared to accept that sometimes he may not be paid out by dubious overseas operators. Restricted even while losing Loses in sports betting in Australia has surged in recent years.(ABC News: Margaret Burin) Another punter the ABC spoke to said he had experienced issues with betting operators closing him down when he didn't use bonus bets or promotions in the way the agencies had wanted. "They offer you significant sign up bonuses along with various matched deposit bonuses," he said. "This is to keep you turning over money and therefore getting addicted, without necessarily using your own money." There are calls for urgent reforms to the Australian gambling industry. He said it was relatively easy to make that money work for you through safe bets then withdraw it once you had bet with it the required amount of times. "Australian betting companies are hypocritical in that they offer you bonus after bonus after bonus if you leave your own money in your account, but ban you if you withdraw to zero as soon as you win [with promotional money]." Other punters spoke of cases of being restricted even while losing money once an operator had determined your strategy would not be profitable for them. All of Australia's major betting agencies are known for restricting certain accounts. They argue that their business models would not be sustainable if they allowed people to win too much. Mr Costello told the ABC urgent reforms were needed across the gambling industry in Australia, which is number one in the world per capita for gambling losses. "The gambling environment in Australia at the moment is utterly out of control," he said.

You are not a liar, you were lied to by the TAB. The semantics of questions and answers can be manipulated by the TAB. Restrictions, limits, caps...all the same thing as you can't bet freely.

That is total bullshit. You got fed a bucket load there.

What was your question and what was their answer?

I am waiting to see the new rankings to see who sits where.

Not sure how it gets a start at Oamaru with its form. At least Majestic Rose has a 9 in its form line.

Election time? People don't have much hope or faith in the ability of the sector itself to make things better let alone an elected party helping racing.

4 starts ago it had a warning on it's barrier record and has now graduated to another warning on her barrier record! Will have to be stood down to trial satisfactorily next time won't it? Doesn't matter if it is at the start or during the race the horse needs to gets some manners despite its ability.

The field gets thinner

You could never back it. When was the last time it trotted? The odds of it trotting today in an enormous field are miniscule, plus the field is very competitive. It is paying $8FF which is joke. It is one of the TAB's sucker horses.

I like Sioux Princess at 8ff. Good off a stand despite the unruly and likes the grass. Always puts in and expect the same tomorrow. And my wildcard on the tote will be Makasar Boy.

This tipster will be retiring after the first race tomorrow and the TAB will be bankrupt. Methven Insights from the Club 10 October 2020 , Punters Info The local is counting the hours to Methven‘s biggest day of the year when all the locals get to see some of harness racing’s best horseflesh live at the Mt. Harding course on Sunday, with the features being the Alabar Methven Cup and the What The Hill Mares Trot. So here’s the way he sees it on Methven’s big day. Race 1 -A roughie in Art Collector who is steadily improving for Warren Stapleton to overcome a second line draw to beat stablemate Iron Woman with Caballe Beach to round off a big trifecta. Multiples - consistent Kingston Atom and Rocknroll Mama. Race 2 - Another attempting to overcome a second line draw in Ilsa’s Son to beat likely favourite Queen of Strathfield and honest Inherent Royal. Multiples Bryan Boru (must be an Irish connection here) and beautifully bred Monaro Mako. Race 3 - King Arthur deserves a win should be here over Cheap Cheap and Perfect Cut from a stable that always goes well here. Multiples boilover chance in local President Pat and first upper Jimmy Paul. Race 4 - Harrison good last time then spelled, very hard to head from Manjimup has speed with soft run and Unchanged Memory quaddie chances Doctor Steve and Talisin. Race 5 - Good race many chances Playa La Vista who will be improving with every run over promising local in Cranbourne and likely favourite in Better Fly. Multiples - Laver and Dhauligiri. Race 6 - Best idea here would be to ring a good spiritual medium and make contact with Nostradamus because almost every horse in the race is a chance which suggest the handicaps are spot on. But we must find one so local Sonoma Tyron to beat Idle Stuartia and Fanny Hill for multiples Sioux Princess and Medusa. Race 7 - Going rough here with Bettor Beintoit who was o.k. last time from likely favourite in Pro Surfer and Hell’s Shadow. Multiples Ava Adore and Geoff’s Legacy. Race 8 - Another even lot we like grass specialist Classy Kid to beat promising type in Buckskin and tiny local in Sisters Delight chances do not stop there and we add Standout and Boom for multiples. Race 9 - Gee what a race will Wild Excuse try and run the favourites off their feet and who will be sitting on the mares back? Tempo will decide everything and again the handicapper has done a good job as will not be a jog in the park for the All Stars pair again though we have to make a decision and we believe Nandolo can upset Spankem and Self Assured with Di Caprio and Tango Tara for multiples. Race 10 - Yet another tough race with many chances Koenigsegg deserves a winning turn from Fynn Frost and brilliant Southern mare in Watch Me Now. Multiples IKnow and Nemera Franco. Race 11 - Tough old Beyond The Horizon loves it here to have the nose in front of Mighty Flying Rocker and Franco Josiah who is all heart. Extras - Mikemaro and probable favourite in Navara. Race 12 - Givemewhatineed who was sensational last time here to beat Magical Ideal and Mr Asia for multiples, free going Paul’s Verdict and Highland Reign.