I've always liked him and seen some nice types at the sales but he just hasn't kicked on with that good 3yo that all stallions on that sort of fee need to have.
On the value side of things I was asking my self the same question a few weeks ago. I came to the conclusion its gotten more difficult to find value but from a breeding to racing perspective (under $10k in NZ as I see it) I came up with Alamosa,Bullbars,Zed,Roc De Cambes and R2R on the proven list and of the unproven at a reasonable fee Derryn,Complacent,Wrote and Rageese.