Nowornever

Entain are now probably just realizing what a piece of shit they have just purchased.

Obviously $50million for a shit website does not get you a backup plan either.

Loaded up my account this week for a good go on the harness tonight and I can't get a bet on. Fucking useless TAB! It's just not good enough on one of the biggest harness nights of the year.

My app used to freeze when I used it although I haven't tried it the last 6 months so maybe they have improved it. If I use my phone to bet, accessing the TAB web site through google is what works best for me but still prefer desktop as I am used to betting on that and it is much faster.

Because it is a terrible app to use. The desktop is barely adequate but way better than the app.

The TAB self serve terminals in Sydney put ours to shame. Easy to use and access to internet screens also available free of charge. NZ is behind the times. I hardly ever go on course anymore but if there was a private booth overlooking the track at Addington with free wifi and your own self service terminal that worked properly then I would pay money to book one every week. The track facilities at some tracks in North America you can do exactly that and it is brilliant.

If the system NZ are using is similar to the UK then risk will be all done by computer now and it is not a case of the bookies taking you on. Once the prices are set in the system, the computer algorithms will determine how much you are allowed to bet based on your previous betting record. Traders on the floor might get a popup if you try to bet over the limits and will have the ability to cancel the bet if the liability is too great. At least that is how it is done in the UK.

You say that like everybody is a winning punter. You have to remember only about 2% of punters are actually capable of making a consistent profit so if they cut those 2% out it is neither here nor there to them and they still have 98% of the punters still betting and the yield goes up by restricting the winning punters. I like your method of letting every tom dick and harry on for as much as they like, but if you and I and a few other winning punters load up and start taking 20 million a year out of the distribution to harness racing and the stakes get cut in half how do you plug this hole? What is the Brodie fix for this? How are you going to stop this happening?

Those bookies are pricing a lot of these races quite badly at the moment which is great for the punters. Can not believe they gave 1.30 for Millwood Nike. Closed 1.10 so opening 1.30 was miles away. Keep those juicy odds coming Entain

Reliant on turnover but anyone winning hurts the yield so they get cut. I can see where you are coming from but I can also see the business side from TAB. You can't have it both ways.

Will start 1.20 or less. Guaranteed winner with Purdon or Rasmussen driving, but bookies will have a chance with Olivia in the sulky.

If you are going to keep a horse parked three wide like that you better be sure your horse has the toughness to stick on for a top six position or have a decent excuse up your sleeve to get you off the hook. I would argue Ross Camerons drive in that race was just as bad and he gave his horse no show off winning by going up the inside into a brick wall on the turn when he would clearly have run 1st or 2nd going wide. Hasn't he been done for driving like that in the past? If there has been a lot of speed during the race, the inside of the track behind the tiring front runners is not the place to be. If it is just a sprint home the inside is the right place to be. The low UDR drivers seem to want to take the opposite approach to this.

Mot was a goldmine for punters. Some decent dividends to chase and no 1.40 favourites leading all the way. HRNZ and TAB might finally work this out one day that big grass track fields are the way to go and instead of closing them down they should be building more, but not holding my breath.

Owned by Entain so don't expect too much in the way of any favours towards punters. Thought they may have changed the bookies as the pricing is not great. A lot of or any big movers in the markets on any given race is 100% bookies getting the opening odds wrong and most races you see a lot of movers. The only reason they would be making money is because most smart punters are restricted and can not get on at the opening odds otherwise bookies would be toast.

I used to look forward to the Nelson winter meeting every year. Knew quite a few trainers who used to set their horses specially for it from Ashburton and Canterbury

I might not be on here much anymore. I am off to start a donkey breeding operation!

I understand you can't race on grass in winter and Addington is the best option but harness racing can not afford to lose another grass track meeting. IMO I blame the top heavy corporates for most of the damage caused to the NZ racing industry. The TAB betting systems should have been world class with the cash cow they had available to them but we have an antiquated system and the fat cats at the top have filled their own pockets instead of investing in infrastructure, and I believe HRNZ is going the the same way. What have these guys at the top changed that has made a positive difference to deserve the big salaries they are on?

Probably changed due to the amount of social media criticism. It used to be a lot easier for the tipsters when they could just post their tips and forget about it with no accountability. Apart from emailing them there was no way of telling the public how good or bad they were. These days with social media, you post a bad tip and it is getting thrown around facebook and twitter about a minute after the race. 😂

It is probably already decided so no point raising any points of view really. Same old farts running the place that think a 1.50 favourite at Addington in a seven horse field trumps a $20.00 winner at Methven in a 15 horse field. They just don't get it! I do not know how they can argue with the facts when grass track racing attracts bigger crowds, bigger nominations and more turnover, and keeps the hobbie trainers interested that train close to these grass track venues. I am not alone when I say with winter racing I pretty much just shut down my betting and wait for the grass tracks to return. If they toss out any more grass track meetings then shut the fucking door on the way out as far as I am concerned.

I am quite the opposite. I usually back against his tips with great success. They are always paying under the odds and most of the time his picks are the hot favourite that only place or run out of the money anyway. Anyone backing his tips outright are on the losing side of it which I suppose works in the TAB's favour.

Giving the Race For Grins $150,000 is crap. How is that helping the hobby trainers or increasing the horse numbers and field sizes? I think the trotters got a raw deal as well. Anyway in two years when Entain starts restricting anyone who wins $100 the horse racing in NZ will quickly go downhill if it isn't dead and buried before then.

I wouldn't be surprised if the TAB sold Entain the business using highly inflated figures. The number of account holders in the TAB system would definitely be inflated. Most of them have joined just to get the $10 deposit bonus for joining, spent it and buggered off never to be seen again.

Geo blocking is a waste of time. So many ways to get around it it is not effective at all.