Murray Fish

two things.... one was thinking about Chiefs comment recently about the fields not being to different re stakes, going by the last couple at Wingatui they suggest other wise... the other was the lack of horses running around down this way... re the jockeys, reflecting on how it would be hard to pay off a mortgage for many..

24 Stables have runners. 3 with Two trainers listed. One with a female co. 11 other female trainers with runners in...

Wingatui on Sunday, stakes are 17000 , way different fields that the previous meeting with its 32K races This time 7 races, was going to be 8... 6 in the Open, 2 rated above 67. then 8 / 6 / 8 / 10 / 11 / 10 = 59 starters 19 jockeys riding, 2 female, 17 male 6 apt 13 senior riders No North Island 1 has 1 ride 8 have 2 rides 5 have 3 rides 2 have 4 rides 2 have 5 rides 1 has 7 rides

mean while for Wingatui on Sunday, also 17000 , way different fields that the previous meeting with its 32K races This time 7 races, was going to be 8... 6 in the Open, 2 rated above 67. then 8 / 6 / 8 / 10 / 11 / 10 = 59 starters

Is it really? If we are talking 'getting new punters interested', are they going to be able to self educate themselves, what with a race coming in every 4/5 minutes.. are they going to be able to 'work out some form'? or do they just learn how to lose? quickly or slowly etc... how can newbies best learn? i have 'educated' many over the years.. I Always start by explain how much The House clicks the ticket on each sort of bet!! I have some vary easy to understand games that So Show how that sort of take out$ work... it can be rather amusing to see a understanding of that happening... 'The key' that I always am working towards, is actually encouraging a better understanding of the Actual horse/horses in any race and how that should be a starting point to build on..

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I presume that it would be via the Nielsen Ratings people, for years (we stopped 12 months ago) we were one of their people, The came and wired up our system with their system, all we had to do was for me and partner to click that we were the ones watching.. for this, we got $100 a year in voucher's. https://panels.nielsen.com/us-nielsen-homes/

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I don't mind the person doing the interview, as a rule, though, one would think that some coaching would go a long way.

those last two ridden by R Moore, wow... I see one punter had 100,000 to win on it!

for me, it was via girlfriend who was doing a Masters in Soc at Massey, that lead me to moving into a flat with some bright cookies! The found the need to correct me, especially around malapropism! One I recall that use to get some going! was H, the saying, pronunciation of that, apparently growing up in Waltham, going to catholic schools! we said it rong!!! if I had a bane about the 'talking heads', it would be around the questions they ask a trainer or jockey after a race, often they make a statement, the T or J has a puzzled look and parrots back a inane answer! So shown in the aftermath of the big race at Tauranga on Saturday!

Have you dropped the Help Desk a email?

One reason, perhaps, to appease certain players "who put a Lot into the game" I recon, for those player$ its all about winning a G1, guarantee to get your named mentioned when you pass! Especially if its a big G1... And most of those sorts of wins are Brought! Mainly thought its a propaganda exercise for the production side of the Industry! it Will generate a lot of 'column inches', be spooked via various media interests, a few contra dealings done. Speaking with various owners I know, say over the last few years! Especially so after the M report, most continue to be running down there breeding and then racing stock. I presume the bred numbers are continue to decrease? What I DO actually look forward to is the actual race day, hopefully delivered on a World Class Track. Actually re the track, just on a track that is Safe! not overwatered! Where the can win from anywhere! Would that be too much to ask for?

please spare some specifics then of what skills he will bring to the job?

and the punters a distance 3rd....

thank you. re me and CS, we know some of each others prior work history, perhaps, he saving things up for some future polemic brutal polemic! lol, I've been involved with sites like this for a long time, actually going back to the Bulletin boards of the early 90's, a rough frontier it was then, mainly made up of 'bright young nerd's', lots of Testosterone and not many critical thinking skills, jump today, perhaps for here, potentially more critical thinking skills shown, and perhaps more use of Viagra. But hey, in the end, shouldn't a site like this be enjoyable to log onto and use! That starts with each of us working out how to best present and share our views! All around the commonality of our share interest in things racing, maturity needed when we agree to disagree. I do Tip my hat towards CS, a thankless taste it can be running any site like this!

One thing I do know, yip, my journey has been anything but boring, phew, at times "hold on, rapids again approaching", and of course, I did actually forget to mention, was involved at a grassroots level at attempting to get a Stableshands Union up and running, sadly on the wrong side of the tide for that to happen, but working along side Bud Flavell (racecourse D, a top man in my view) we did manage to take some trainers to labour court, and won!.. Then there was effort put in trying to get Punters Assoc up and running, using lost ticket money, struggled to get traction, key staff inside HO left and that drifted off in history. Could mention the energy into trying to get a Racing Museum up and running! I dont know if you use to visit r...cafe, quite a few moons back, I use to run (via Abit Roughhouse), some popular Historical Quiz's, cunning ones where Prof Google was not helpful with! Some wonder why I be happy to share stories like this, happy to forewarn anyone about my 'racing interest's and history' if you ever meet up with me you find that all out quickly. Of course, the big advantage of ever meeting face to face, there are stories that can only be shared in person! after vetting has taken place! Like the G1 horse who was keen on the cannabis,... Oh for memories! important, but the presence into the future be way more Important! Happy to report! had all the needed blood and fitness test back recently, GP smiled and said, "well done for all the hard work!" test all as needed to be, and Vo2max Elite! I'll take that! Life has taught me a few things, one being, if you need to Talk up to Power! then being at your Fighting Weight be Important! Plenty of fight in this dog still!!! and You?

sigh, it seems like spring itself! I be lining up there with you.. 'We' keep meaning to get back on course someday! Some really top horses ran there in early 90's, a cool time to be on course! Talking those HB 3 G1's, they have seemed to have worked well historically, anyone up to date with how their strength have stacked up lately?

That would be a Yes and a NO I start with a short cv on me and racing... My family back ground, on Mums side, G Grandad win the 1926 Kumaru Nugget! Reon Murtha M 1st cussy, nearly ever race he commentated was listened too,, On Dads side, back in the 1930's he had a team of 30 Clydesdales, after the war, he was a foreman at GH Woods grain store in Chch, where the likes of Jack Litten of Caduceus fame brought their feed, 100% secrecy was locked in around what was put in by each trainer!!! Btw, Mr Litten was a interesting fella, he gave Dad a chromed horses shoe when that horse retired! sadly that went missing,, My first actual ventures On Track were early 1970's, starting with the home tracks of Addington and Riccarton. Addington back then really was Magic, the excitement started at the early August meetings, there was a wonderful easily marked out race program in the lead up to the Cup in Nov... Betting wise, minimum options, W&P Main Double of the Day, race to race doubles, where if you got the first leg ticket in, you got to exchange them in the next leg. jump to day, The don't even have to win 10 races to get to Open class, back then that was needed to get a start. Re the betting, It was exciting at the beginning of each race to see the Tapes being pulled up and down to see what odds you horses were at!! I still recall the massive groan that went up when Arapahos divvy ($2.70) when up for the year he won the cup! : ) Jump to the future, re betting, now a days a massive increase in the betting options, but as I have mentioned elsewhere, the Take Outs from all these increased options comes with a sting in the tail! the $ is not churned over, the 'average' (mug) punter loses there stake quicker! Tv coverage of course is way better in general ( I will comment later where it isn't), but there has been a slow negation of any interest I had/have in Harness, driven as much by when harness was more and more kicked over to Ch2. "we" use to go out to Forbury to take a few photos and cheer on a few trainers that we knew who raced there, (Partners family had/have a long term interest in Harness, owning a NZ Cup winner and Horse of the year along the way), with the demise of Forbury, my interest is now about 1.2% I would Struggle to watch even the Cup.... enough on the trots.. re the Gallops, Riccarton, gee, massive fields, in high sight, so hard to make money... Interestedly, while we Addington dished up The Best, at Ricc one learnt that betting on local loyalty was challenging! For the big races those bloody Northerners would come down and gallop away with the $$$$ Fury Order blew me away,.. thank goodness for Show Gate and Grey Way... Also, if there wasn't a local meeting then 'we' (I could drop a few names of our gang from back there, one went on to win multiple training premierships, another a harness prem.. I'm sure we have punted Many Many Millions through the tote and often back then with the local bookie) would then go to the closes meeting for that Saturday! where the beer was warm and the pies often cold! I think that what was better, was that we were all in employment and had recreational money to spend! One of the 'elephants in the room' re good old NZ is that since then, especially once the reality of the 'neo liberal' economic policy's kicked in, especially biting in the early 90's, the reality is 60% of kiwis have had a falling real income. Something that I recon that was better, though I didn't have the skills back then to use it to my advantage. Was the great coverage we got via TV covering a big race meeting, 100% live, Glen Tucker and co... sadly, racing never locked in copyright from that coverage so it is locked away in the faults on said company.. Back to my racing journey, time was right for me to leave the home town, (mid 70s) I knew a young golf pro (also a mad keen punter) working in Palm North, up I went, that lead to a job at local Billiards Room, where the owner was a keen racing man, he always had a horse in work with his mate the hotelier (gee, a lot of them owned back then, cash was king), a few jockeys were keen players! That led me to knowing Ken Lush, who owned Photopress, ken was a A Grade Snooker player) after I went overseas for a few years, back to PN, Ken suggested I give the camera a go, you can either do it! or Not! I could, that lead to me actually getting up close to the horses and the people that ride, strapped and trained them. A very long slow apprentice was under taken regarding the presentation of a horse on race day, btw, most can't win the race they are in! Slowly I learnt how to actual end up the year with a Profit, Based on 'my eye' seeing that Horse X has been presented in Peak Condition! And having some shared insight into the form for said race! Often knowing what can't win is very important! Something (making a profit!) I pride myself on actually doing! year on year! It really is based on minimising ones loses.. I think I am the antithesis of what the TAB actually wants/needs. I love small fields! I almost never bet into large fields, to much chaos, to much cognitive bias flows from 'unlucky runners' etc... Reflecting on the modern coverage via Tv, as mentioned, a lot of the digital coverage is cool to the eye to watch, but nothing compared to how the likes of MLB and NFL now use it.. And to be brutally honest! sometimes I find myself left rather frustrated with the pre race coverage, as in not seeing all the horses, missing out of seeing their prelims, or you are seeing a horses arse run into the distance.. that still happens for G1 races!!!! where, as the years have gone on I have more and more focused my betting dollars. lol, would you believe that I recon for the last ten meetings that I have been on course I can't recall having a bet, plenty of reddies in back pocket, but not my sort of races to bet into, hard to beat the tote and the local 'racing mafia', I do usually take 1000+ photos! and give most of them back to the battlers in the Industry.. To finish on betting, I hold No hope that the coverage I 'need/want' to bet is not going to be delivered! I also note, that previously I have been the catalyses ( I believe head office might use the halo effect!) for lost and lots of family, friends, etc having a bet, having a share in a horse, having any interest, as I fade away, so does those their interest fade with that! The next generation of my close relatives who are all living in households where they are entering their peak earning years, all way above average! In their 20's they were go to Cup day etc, for the piss up etc, throw away a hundie betting, now, they be in their 30's, they don't need the antics of the present day 20 year old's getting pissed on those day, they just stop going, they find no interest in a race every 4 minutes.. more sometimes actually leads to less in the long run... Note no mention of Sunset Industry! So, as that book started off "It was the best of times, it was the worse of times', I be healthy, fit and happy! though some many of the people I have share a life journeys with are crapping out and dying!!! A bit like the modern racing industry, we can follow the glitch and glamour of following the great exciting careers of a WINX or a J Mac! Or by following the caeers of young trainers who we watched going to the races as Kids! the likes of Chris W, young Baker and Marsh.. or that young trainer who after 10 years has there first win!!! But for some of us, we know of the struggles of the little battler at the coalface! sigh, and, as ever, I do share your goal of actually getting some enjoyment from racing! each has a different road to get there!!!! lol, I have had a few 'dummy spits' over the last few years! materially driven by certain name players in the game! most have since moved on to greener pastures! but the scars have remained!!! that's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!

A very sensible approach. My background drives any actual 'worries' that I have might have. Talking H&S Those worries this century, have been 100% around the presentation of tracks, often driven by 'the need' to having said track at X ratings. Please remember, watering to x is very much a modern doing (early 90's?), .. fact behind this weree that for instance horse numbers had started to drop off etc... One of the privileges that I got from being the photographer was that I got to know a lots of jockeys on a personal level, Be they 'the guns' the journeymen/women, the battlers, the apprentices! What has scared me deeply is the fact that some of those 'workers' have gone to work and bam! life changed forever, be it via tragic chaos of a event within the race, or??? etc.. You will recall, there was a series of race days, where the 'little people' were being sent around in the first! To Prove that the track was not safe, for Todays standards. I 'know' 'old school' the old toughen up would have been played! Enough was enough, I proudly wear a Union Cap! I used those skills to bring about change! <---(that be the sort version), The Stipes now Know they will be liable, I respect the improvement in the way they now deal with these tracks. Gee, it was interesting to observe how certain named players thought about my actions! For them, I use the old, you will move on.. one day I will piss on your grave! they be welcome to to the same! So there you go TABey, ps. note I didn't share my long list of banalities' around the many frustrations that I have re the modern presentation of racing as it its now a days... especially if one has a actual betting focus! I note the at times exciting use if modern digital cameras etc, my banes are driven by the choices of the directors and produces..

NO I bet to Make a Profit, unlike the majority whom bet. To do that (profit) I might watch 500 races without having a bet. Re the horse and race that I mentioned, I have a 'golden rule', I Need to see my horse properly before the race, I had the watch set for 6 mins before the off, log on, to find the split screen up. Oh, the dog race has not been run! The boxes not working! the split screen jumps between the two venues, dog race continues to not run, we see about half the gallops field, including mates horse, which has presented the best yet of this campaign. Back to Dogs, race is run, back to gallops, Not all horses have been shown! Race jumps, KW rides the race/track well. Horse runs up to her good looks, wins well!! Horse really enjoys the run, comes back in with a new found confidence. Brief mention by the talking heads about 1st win for young trainer, not sure if any more text on the story was produced! sigh, just another day with race/race/race following on... I be lucky though, I don't need to bet to get enjoyment! Knowing how the horse was bred and then that long journey of being nurtured to get to the stage of finding out if it will actually get to have a race. Owner thinks this will be his last one (he has been doing it for decades), mainly around he less and less enjoys how he is treated, as in, on any raceday, none of the staff seems to know his long involvement in the game, never made to feel appreciated etc...